Honestly, what do you think is going to happen?

 

Well I understand that, and the MEC deal but it's a little hard to "justify" that when you know how important growth is and considering that about a year later gojet was allowed union with if not at least a industry standard contract, at least industry standard 66 seat pay. Another words you could have gotten something down the line. Certainly by today in 2009.

 

Well, some pilots want to fight for raising the bar now and some want to kick the can further down the line for the next group of pilots.

Its hard to justify wanting more money for a bigger plane?

 

BINGO!!!!! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. If we want to raise the bar, THE BUCK STOPS WITH ALL OF US. Each and every contract from here on out we have to fight to raise the bar, lots of concessionary contracts were signed in the past because of scare tactics... in the end it's pilots and flight attendants that run an airline in the end we hold the cards... what, is management going to come down and fly the airplanes to keep revenue coming in?

And as for a previous statement from Airwille suggesting TSA guys quit their jobs and go to work for mcdonalds or walmart... Do you actually believe that would solve anything? Hulas would just transfer all the flying to Gojet and you would get your left seat even faster.... The worst possible outcome for you sir is that TSA guys get released to strike and flying gets transfered to you..... the best outcome is that they don't strike and flying gets transfered to you... I can see why you want them to quit....

 

You don't have industry standard pay rates. Horizon, Skywest, Republic, ASA, Comair, Expressjet, and American Eagle all have better pay and better contracts which actually mean more than the payscale itself. Who exactly are you matching with your "industry standard rates?"

Pay scales are only part of the equation, work rules are very important too and determine how much you can get out of that payscale.

Essentially you still fly the -700 at -200 rates.

Growth at the regionals is a bad thing for your career at a major. Growth of low budget places like GoJet is the worst form of growth there is and it causes the most damage to your long term career goals. You are replacing higher paid jobs with lower paid ones just to get to your captain's seat quicker.

 

AirWillie didn't ask that question..I did. But, my point was/is so many of you always state that you would go to work at McDonalds or Wal-Mart rather than coming here to GoJet. My meaning is/was if the TSA pilots (and many others always screaming about this "bar raising" etc..) are so upset about the outcome of the situation why didn't they "raise the bar" and "make a stand" and quit TSA to move on to other places?? That is my question. So many people on an internet forum ALWAYS screaming about this, that & the other etc..Well, why didn't they just quit TSA and "raise the bar" further than everyone else by making "the ultimate stand" It seems to me that if the majority of the pilot group just quit that would be a clear message to management. But, Mgt KNOWS that would never happen so they keep doing what they have always done. Pit pilots against pilots and laugh all the way to the bank. I will gladly say that the so called Union here at GoJet is pathedic at best. The Mgt here uses intimidation tactics to push crews (both Pilots & Flight Attendants) The contract here is a complete joke & rarely followed. You know, it's a typical Trans States operation.

 

Ofcourse having the greatest contract with a worthless union does not mean much either.

 

I wouldn't call 3 dollars more better pay. A skywest ca gets paid 69 dollars at 5th year for a CRJ9 vs 66 at Gojet 5th year for CRJ7. And places like ASA, American Eagle or Horizon 5th year pay for CA probably doesn't exist because no one can claim it the seat doesn't go that junior your still an fo. It's all relative. The contract is not the best but you credit well, block or better, days off that's all that matters. A 2 year old contract is not going to be ground breaking especially at a new regional airline.

 

Well you just proved the point right there.

Substandard pay is all that gojets was created for, and Hulas got away with it. There is simply nothing "industry standard" about the gojets contract. As many have been trying to tell you for about 15 pages or so, not only do you guys have substandard pay, but inferior work rules which is exactly what we were trying to fight for in 2005. Every time one of you guys agrees to work for an alter-ego company such as gojets you not only circumvent a contract, you create irreversible damage to this industry, and the proof is now United.

For those of you from United that agree to take the job at gojets, take a look at the alter ego Tilton is trying to create. Hulas set a precedent in the industry, when instead of negotiating he simply walked away open another company knowing that there would be people of certain moral disability willing to work for an alter-ego, which in itself had the same effect as those who have crossed a picket line.

You never did answer my question. If Hulas decided to open another company instead of negotiating for better work rules and pay with you guys, how would you feel? What if Hulas just started to strip gojets apart and gave the flying to his new toy company? How would you feel if you were on the receiving end of the alter-ego?

Posted the question for the second time.

 

Bond, to be a devil's advocate:

If I upgrade to captain the first year... and at ASA, say it takes me 5 years, who's the fool? You really can't compare GoJet with any other airline out there right now because GoJet is upgrading quickly and still hiring, while everyone else is furloughing. If/when GoJet stagnates, then you'll have a point.

Until then.... poverty + $3/hour + duty time rigs still leaves me broke.