who is "WE" PBS is great from a mgmt standpoint, makes your pilots more efficient, need less of them to cover the flying, pilot standpoint, see ya QOL

QOL also suffers when you lose flying to your fellow competitors because they have lower costs, which include PBS, dual qual, lower rates, and a more junior pilot group....

no argument there...

Perfect statement, I agree with this 100%. So how is just pbs going to get us to be competitive? We could add dual qual, and give up some pay, then make our group more junior. Wait how do we do that? But wait you said Jerry says our pay is not our problem. Which is it Joe.

700/900 pay for dual qual? I dunno...

sorry bud, welcome to the airline biz... thanks for the flame!!!!

When my MEC studied PBS after management began pushing it, it discovered that it saved the company money due to a 15% increase in efficiency. This means 85% of the pilots on PBS could do the work of the present 100%. Savings was about 15 million dollars per year. It meant less reserves would be needed since there'd be less conflicts. More pilots could hold hard schedules instead of reserve. The down side was 15% less upgrades and transitions.

Any deal for PBS would have to include a no furlough clause for the 15%, vacation days, increase in pay due to the reduction in OT flying and increase in FO pay because of the 15% increase in upgrade time.

PBS, if done correctly, can be a blessing. Done incorrectly, it would truly suck for most pilots.

So I wonder is that why ASA furloughed another 56. So that once PBS is agreed to they would look like the good guy cuz there was no furloughs after.... Forgetting the fact that there are 136 of us on the streets waiting for recall. That 15% could have been our recall. ASA has about 1700 pilots, 15% of 1700 is 255. So basically what I am saying is I wonder if ASA chose to furlough then do PBS VS PBS then furlough.

Yes the company used the remaining fo's to be furloughed for the summer and clammed up about pbs. Then bam sept 1st furlough the rest and we have a pbs ta with a no furlought clause for anyone on property. How convenient. But hey the company is looking out for us with this pbs deal right? Keep telling yourself that.

My thought this spring was that PBS would not make sense for ASA unless they furloughed. I'm not sure if PBS saves 10-15% of active pilots or all pilots though. If you look at just active pilots and 10% the 136 on the street make a perfect fit. Regardless, unless we find true growth (not just finding flying for the 20 200s) I think our recall will be longer because of PBS.

If they try to furlough after PBS, the legal battle might be too costly. I'm skeptical that this will help us win new flying - it likely won't be voted on before UAL's Oct RFP and it may not be implemented by next spring if it does pass. Regardless, if the bullet-point highlights put out by the union are solid, I'm starting to lean toward favoring it. Guess we'll see!