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Old 09-20-2009 | 04:56 PM
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:21 PM
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To the OP, the career path for you as an airline pilot is going to be very difficult. Timing is everything. As it stands right now, you don't have any significant flying experience or hours. Additionally, you are a bit older. Sure, in two years, if you're willing to stick it out, you might possibly land a decent airline job.

You need to ask yourself, is your passion for flying greater than the sacrifices you will need to make today in order to achieve them?

If not, you have one heck of a background. Law enforcement and aviation. This combination would open yourself up to a lot of potential jobs out there. The law enforcement stink is good stink. You need to hunker down and figure out what your true passion is and go do it.
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Military flying is out, even the army only takes early 30's.

Federal LE is out, age 37 max no waivers.

I would find a comfortable place to wait things out, and build time on the side. If the industry looks better in the future, reconsider at that time. Indefinite flight instruction with no end in sight might be OK if you are 23, but probably not at age 40 unless you can really rake in the money (there are still some places you an do this if you bust your hump)

When hiring resumes assume that 1500 TT and 300+ ME will be the ticket initially. Those numbers may come down a bit as the applicant backlog gets used up, but there is a good possibility that federal law will require an ATP (1500 hours) in three years or so. I would plan on needing to get the ATP before you get an airline job.

Except for a few brief periods late (ie 2006-2007), regionals normally required 1500-2500 hours anyway. Nothing new there, just back to normal.

When American Eagle and ExpressJet began hiring again in Late 2003/early 2004 I believe everyone had to have at least 500 multi at first. Surprisingly, they went through people with that pretty quick and then others started getting in. At the time they had not interviewed since 9/11. 121 time elsewhere was a plus too. Many will make lateral moves when hiring begins again, they did last time.
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:44 PM
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Thank you for your comments. I

What you dont undrstand is I didnt start this venture to fly yesterday or even last year. I started flight training in 1994. I couldnt afford a big name flight school so I just took lessons every now and then at a pt 61 flying club at my local airport. coupled with my time I went active duty. I have done jobs from active duty army, to ramp agent for ASA to elem sschool teaching assistant to police officer to TSA security screener. All these jobs have been for one purpose. to pay for my flight training. I finally reached the pinnicle in 2007 when I became a CFI. so you see I have invested a lot of money and a lot of time in this endeavor and you think I can just say "ok I wil llet it go and do something else" just like that? No sir. I used my GI Bill for flight training instead of getting a masters degree. I could have stayed on active duty and would have 20 years active by now. But I sacraficed all that for this dream of being a professional pilot. I now realize this industry isnt what I thought.but its not that bad. I am a member of several aviation organizations including CAP, OBAP, ALEA. I am engrained inthe aviation community.

You guys arent reading my post. I am not in Law Enforcement. I said i did it for about 18 months a few years ago. I still have the certification. but I didnt do the job that long. I have already had my bad experieinces with an airline (check my past posts).
My passion has been aviation since I was a kid. My dad was inthe USAF as a radio repairman. My destiny my not be an airline pilot but What do you guys think about corporate or FAA or something like that?
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:47 PM
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give the border patrol a look too, gov't bennies, pays better than a regional, and you get to carry a gun
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:49 PM
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LOL. Please show me a $70K a year police job.I quit the police dept in 2007 to pursue aviation. I went tto CFI school full time. I amnot a cop anymore but thinking of going back into it.

The cut off age for Federal Law enforcement is 37.

To be a police pilot they want you to be a street cop for certain number of years and then that is stil no guarantee you wil get in. People get to the aviation unit and stay there til the retire or die. Its hard to get into a LE aviation unit.

But Ido like the idea of going back into it until something better comes up.
Why does everyone on here say fly for fun and forget LE? Thats very interesting cause I am ata another website called officer.com and everyone there says get out of LE. lol


So basically what I have deduced is people just arent satisfied with thier current situation. I want to fly for a living. Not neccessarily the airlines although it would be nice.


Ive got one. Its pretty easy to get one at 70K. If youre lucky enough to get some of the jobs in NY theyre up in the 100K range after a few years. (Nassau and Suffolk County).

And my really expensive ERAU education? The diploma covers up a verrrry expensive hole in the wall. I miss flying.... and hate that im not doing my "plan A" job, but after flying for free for years I decided that I enjoy living indoors (in my own hose even!) and eating.

The benefits are good, and the seniority and retirement outlook are both stable.
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:55 PM
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To the OP, if you want it bad enough, go for it. But you've got to weather the storm the best you can. That is what all of us are doing.

I'm neck deep in my backup profession right now hoping to rebuild my financial reserves, etc. But when hiring resumes, I just might give it another go. Do the same, throw your stuff in. You might need some more time, especially multi time. Ask around, try to bum off people with twins. Its tough, but we all figure out a way one way or another.
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Old 09-20-2009 | 06:58 PM
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24G -

What type of FAA jobs are/were you looking at when you state:
My destiny my not be an airline pilot but What do you guys think about corporate or FAA or something like that?
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Old 09-20-2009 | 08:09 PM
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24G -

What type of FAA jobs are/were you looking at when you state:


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One dayI was at my local FBO and this Gulfstream lands with the tail number N2. I figured it had to be somebody important. And it was the U.S. Sec of transportation. How do you get a job flying him around? or other FAA and DOT officials?

Also the FIFO. The folks that fly around and inspect NAVAIDs. And the usual ASI's which is not really that much flying but its something. How do youget these jobs?
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Old 09-21-2009 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
One dayI was at my local FBO and this Gulfstream lands with the tail number N2. I figured it had to be somebody important. And it was the U.S. Sec of transportation. How do you get a job flying him around? or other FAA and DOT officials?

Also the FIFO. The folks that fly around and inspect NAVAIDs. And the usual ASI's which is not really that much flying but its something. How do youget these jobs?
You meet the minimums and apply. Lot's of paperwork involved though. Federal jobs are not quite as networking-oriented as other aviation jobs. It helps if you are a minority or a veteran, applicants are graded on a point system and you get extra points for that.

I don't think the DOT has a lot of VIP jets, maybe just the one. I would assume that's a pretty senior gig at the FAA.

It usually helps to get a federal job if you already have a federal job...you might want to look into NTSB accident investigator. It's an entry-level job, they hire a wide variety of backgrounds, and the flight time requirements are very low IIRC. They provide all the training, and you start with small-airplane crashes and work your way up. Interesting work, government benefits, and it might help you get a government flying job.
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