AA vs. Eagle vs. Chautauqua
10-01-2009, 04:47 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by mwa1
so how do we disagree?
It also allows them to absorb retirements and shrink the airline more effectively. The international routes they retain in the deals will become real cash cows... good luck trying to jumpseat/non-rev after that all happens.
10-01-2009, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
You missed my point entirely. Since reading comprehension appears to be an issue for you, I will explain this further in the hope that you understand.
Those are routes that AMR determined it wanted lift on. Just like DAL wants a CVG-SAV flight and United wants an IAD-YYX route. The only thing your company does is put an airplane and a crew on a route someone else wants you to fly. It's not your flying...another company wants it flown and hires you to do it. You think you're important. You're not. None of us are. That's just the way it is.
If it says "American", "Delta", or "United" on the side of it...it should be flown by an American, Delta, or United pilot. Even if it says "Express" or "Connection" next to it. There's a reason this industry sucks (and it does suck). It's because mainline pilots sold everyone up the river (themselves included) to try and hold on to a pay rate and let their flying get farmed out to us.
If you work at Eagle, you don't do any of your own flying. You do the flying AA wants you to do. Same thing if you work at Comair, Mesa, CHQ, or any other regional. That's the way life is and getting all worked up because someone is doing "your" flying...which wasn't yours in the first place...is misguided and silly. Get mad at AMR for not giving it to you. Getting mad at a CHQ pilot is rediculous. Am I supposed to not show up to work because ORD is now on my schedule?
And to clarify, I want nothing to do with ORD. I would have been much happier to sit in my little STL bubble and be left alone until I could find a new job...any job...to get out of this industry.
Those are routes that AMR determined it wanted lift on. Just like DAL wants a CVG-SAV flight and United wants an IAD-YYX route. The only thing your company does is put an airplane and a crew on a route someone else wants you to fly. It's not your flying...another company wants it flown and hires you to do it. You think you're important. You're not. None of us are. That's just the way it is.
If it says "American", "Delta", or "United" on the side of it...it should be flown by an American, Delta, or United pilot. Even if it says "Express" or "Connection" next to it. There's a reason this industry sucks (and it does suck). It's because mainline pilots sold everyone up the river (themselves included) to try and hold on to a pay rate and let their flying get farmed out to us.
If you work at Eagle, you don't do any of your own flying. You do the flying AA wants you to do. Same thing if you work at Comair, Mesa, CHQ, or any other regional. That's the way life is and getting all worked up because someone is doing "your" flying...which wasn't yours in the first place...is misguided and silly. Get mad at AMR for not giving it to you. Getting mad at a CHQ pilot is rediculous. Am I supposed to not show up to work because ORD is now on my schedule?
And to clarify, I want nothing to do with ORD. I would have been much happier to sit in my little STL bubble and be left alone until I could find a new job...any job...to get out of this industry.
But the fact is, you KEEP missing my point and come across as though YOUR opinion is the ONLY opinion. As such, your issues go beyond simple reading comprehension. You seem to be caught up on some cockamamie belief that I feel we are more important or special than others. We are not. I know you'd prefer if we just mind our own business on this, but that wont happen.....................sorry. The flying they want to assign you is original flying done by us in which contractual issues are in play and which is directly referenced by a previous arbitration ruling.
As stated before, perhaps 1/3 of our flying are new routes that you describe above...........given to us to "develop" and then (theoretically) transferred to AA. Another 1/3 are former AA routes given to us that belong to the APA, who have not only the right to fly them but fight for their return. The final 1/3 of our flying was owned lock, stock and steering tiller by the respective stand alone carriers that flew them BEFORE any relationship whatsoever with AMR, AA or the APA. Your advocation of standing by and accepting anything a management throws our way is your way, not many of ours. I suppose it's acceptable for for major airlines' pilots to fight for "their" flying because it is ALL their flying and THAT is where you keep running into the same tree. My guess is that it makes a convienient rationalization for your position.
Many regional carriers have long histories as stand alone airlines that flew their routes without any relationship or control by another. This applies to ALL carriers and has nothing to do with size or type of aircraft. Following your own argument above, I guess now you're saying if we just change our paint scheme livery to remove any representation of "American", then it becomes "our" flying right ?
First, independent travel services determine the concept of whose flying is whose and now it's paint jobs and names.
What's next, the actors they use in commercials ?
Oh....and you might want to get a proper handle on the players here as well. It is AMR not AA that gives us flying they want us to do. AMR is the parent company that owns both AA and Eagle (as in AMR Eagle, Inc.).
Last edited by eaglefly; 10-01-2009 at 05:34 PM.
10-01-2009, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
Lots of Haters towards AE here. If It was or is sooo bad, why keep posting about it.
Cheers.
10-01-2009, 05:36 PM
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This is turning into flamebait. Come on....
10-01-2009, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sailor
If you don't mind, How long have you worked for AE?
Cheers.
Cheers.
10-01-2009, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
You missed my point entirely. Since reading comprehension appears to be an issue for you, I will explain this further in the hope that you understand.
Those are routes that AMR determined it wanted lift on. Just like DAL wants a CVG-SAV flight and United wants an IAD-YYX route. The only thing your company does is put an airplane and a crew on a route someone else wants you to fly. It's not your flying...another company wants it flown and hires you to do it. You think you're important. You're not. None of us are. That's just the way it is.
If it says "American", "Delta", or "United" on the side of it...it should be flown by an American, Delta, or United pilot. Even if it says "Express" or "Connection" next to it. There's a reason this industry sucks (and it does suck). It's because mainline pilots sold everyone up the river (themselves included) to try and hold on to a pay rate and let their flying get farmed out to us.
If you work at Eagle, you don't do any of your own flying. You do the flying AA wants you to do. Same thing if you work at Comair, Mesa, CHQ, or any other regional. That's the way life is and getting all worked up because someone is doing "your" flying...which wasn't yours in the first place...is misguided and silly. Get mad at AMR for not giving it to you. Getting mad at a CHQ pilot is rediculous. Am I supposed to not show up to work because ORD is now on my schedule?
And to clarify, I want nothing to do with ORD. I would have been much happier to sit in my little STL bubble and be left alone until I could find a new job...any job...to get out of this industry.
Those are routes that AMR determined it wanted lift on. Just like DAL wants a CVG-SAV flight and United wants an IAD-YYX route. The only thing your company does is put an airplane and a crew on a route someone else wants you to fly. It's not your flying...another company wants it flown and hires you to do it. You think you're important. You're not. None of us are. That's just the way it is.
If it says "American", "Delta", or "United" on the side of it...it should be flown by an American, Delta, or United pilot. Even if it says "Express" or "Connection" next to it. There's a reason this industry sucks (and it does suck). It's because mainline pilots sold everyone up the river (themselves included) to try and hold on to a pay rate and let their flying get farmed out to us.
If you work at Eagle, you don't do any of your own flying. You do the flying AA wants you to do. Same thing if you work at Comair, Mesa, CHQ, or any other regional. That's the way life is and getting all worked up because someone is doing "your" flying...which wasn't yours in the first place...is misguided and silly. Get mad at AMR for not giving it to you. Getting mad at a CHQ pilot is rediculous. Am I supposed to not show up to work because ORD is now on my schedule?
And to clarify, I want nothing to do with ORD. I would have been much happier to sit in my little STL bubble and be left alone until I could find a new job...any job...to get out of this industry.
10-01-2009, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by meeko031
does it really matter! If you haven't noticed...... it's the same brown water, just different toilets!!! No one is happy in this industry.. regional or mainline....The door is always open... just walk through if you don't like your current situation.. its as simple as that... period!!!!
10-01-2009, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by bgmann
This is turning into flamebait. Come on....
10-02-2009, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 2Co2Fur1EXwife
I think he was asking that more along the lines of; the longer you stay at Eagle, you either convince yourself its the best place to work (insert psyco-babel of how great it is and how much money you make) vs this place REALLY sucks. Either you get out early, or your stuck; have to get paid for 90hr+ a month just to get by, overtime, get JM at the gate, report to the CP office every time you have a sick call, 8hr in some crazy po-dunk city, and get crappy pay all along. I think the problem here is the defenders; you know it sucks, you just don't want to admit it.
Eagle's not the best............that's absurd.
I haven't been JM'd in 7 years, my sick calls have never been questioned inappropriately, gone only 3 nights/week and average 14 days off per month for 10K/month. I fly PRODUCTIVELY and make my time pay money vs. spending my time away from home at a crash pad or crew room NOT getting paid. The 20 mile drive to work ain't that bad either.
Not everyone is as disappointed as you apparently are with your lot in life. It's always good to aim high, but you shouldn't let frustration fog your scope.
10-02-2009, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Coming from someone who only saw the boat from the back railing inhaling the exhaust, I can understand your myopic assessment. I know it cannot compare to the fantasy you imagine your future is, but odds on will likely never be.
Eagle's not the best............that's absurd.
I haven't been JM'd in 7 years, my sick calls have never been questioned inappropriately, gone only 3 nights/week and average 14 days off per month for 10K/month. I fly PRODUCTIVELY and make my time pay money vs. spending my time away from home at a crash pad or crew room NOT getting paid. The 20 mile drive to work ain't that bad either.
Not everyone is as disappointed as you apparently are with your lot in life. It's always good to aim high, but you shouldn't let frustration fog your scope.
Eagle's not the best............that's absurd.
I haven't been JM'd in 7 years, my sick calls have never been questioned inappropriately, gone only 3 nights/week and average 14 days off per month for 10K/month. I fly PRODUCTIVELY and make my time pay money vs. spending my time away from home at a crash pad or crew room NOT getting paid. The 20 mile drive to work ain't that bad either.
Not everyone is as disappointed as you apparently are with your lot in life. It's always good to aim high, but you shouldn't let frustration fog your scope.
BUUUAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA, 10k at eagle, I sure your fellow pilots are rolling their eyes. I am starting to have a pretty good idea of what kind of person you are.
During my 7 yrs at eagle I remember a guy that everyone knew as a great storyteller with long talks, just like your posts!!!
Hmmm.
Hahahaha, thanks for the laugh mate.
Cheers.
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