When did 80k a year stop being a lot of money? One can live very comfortably on that if they choose to. That being said, where does one draw the line. What is the formula for determining what YOU are worth or what payrate an airplane should command? Why aren't you worth $500,000? I think I am worth $1,000,000 to fly my Citation, but thats not what my company is willing to pay me. My only choice then is to evaluate their offer and see if it meets my needs. If it doesn't, I can choose to adjust my standard of living or go elsewhere. The pay rates at the regional level are not new and most people on here complaining now signed up for the very same rates when they were hired within the last few years. Fight for what you are worth, just know how to define "worth".

Additionally, I am all for pilots making the most they can, but comparing todays pay rates to those of a different period in aviation is not really the way to go. It's like the housing market...in most places, a house you bought 4 years ago is worth less today, even though inflation is still rampant. You can say your house is worth 1 million because that is what you paid for it 5 years ago, but if the market only commands 500,000 today, then guess what it is really worth. An item is only worth what people will pay for it combined with what the seller will accept, and past performance really doesn't matter much in most cases.

 

That's a great question. I think a lot of the guys posting here are relatively new to the industry. SJS combined with a deranged sense of entitlement is an obvious ailment with many posters on this page. I'm not defending RAH or the course of the industry right now, but you have to laugh about a kid dissapointed about making $100,000 year, when only afew years ago he was more concerned about the prom.

 

First of all, you have to realize that the 190's are NOT going to be flown under a code share, they will be implemented into the Frontier/Midwest system. They are not being used against the Airbus, they are being used to grow the operation. We also have more Airbus scheduled for delivery.

So lets make a CLEAR definition here that Frontier and Midwest are Republic brands. On that side of the operation, we are not a Regional airline, we are a Major. As long as the 190's go to the Major operation, I'm OK with that provided we get industry leading wages on them (they are planning major growth for Frontier/Midwest with Airbus AND 190's).

The 190's are not "being flown by a Regional". The current pay rate is ridiculous, but these 190's will not be operated by anybody but pilots of RAH (includes F9, YX etc) under no brand other than Frontier and Midwest.

You can argue all you want about how a "Regional" has 190's, but this "Regional" now has Airbus AND 190's. I fly on the "regional" side of the 170 house, but I see these 190's as being an opportunity to get YX pilots back to work. They might not make what they were before - AT FIRST - but, we can all fight to change that. These 190's should be flown by our mainline pilots.

 

The way you wrote that made me laugh pretty good lol.

On a side note don't forget that currently there are no payrates for the 190. There are payrates for the other aircraft they are using for the 190. We haven't established rates yet and it is being grieved. They tried this once when the crjs came on property and lost. I can't imagine them not losing again. So just give it a little time

 

Jet Blue 1st year F/O 190 = 47/hr: 2nd year 62/hr.
Republic 1st year F/O 190 = 23/hr: 2nd year 31/hr.

Please tell me I am wrong with these figures. (I got em from APC). Or at least Republic has better rates coming. Please prove me wrong.!!

 

once again the republic rates were negotiated before the 170 and 190 were even built

 

Why don't you look and compare CA rates for Republic's 175 vs Comair, Compass, and Mesa's CRJ-900 and E-175 rates. Looks like Republic has set the bar higher in the past, maybe they will in the future? Looking forward to the "blame game" moving on to another carrier, peace!

 

Jetblue pilots had the opportunity to negotiate a CBA based on the Embraer 190.

Republic has a CBA that was based on a 145, modified to quickly accomodate the 170, and modified again to accomodate the 175. Those modifications, while horrible on the FO side, are actually pretty well above the industry standard in those seats.

We are due (and its on the table) a new CBA, to reflect not only the 145, 170/175/190 AND Airbus, but also reflect the changes in company size and growth.

Trust me, we're due for some major pay increases and major QOL increases. Any tool who thinks we shouldn't walk off the job to get what we deserve, needs a reality check with a Midwest pilot. Bedford and company have spent the last year proving how much money they have...now its OUR turn to collect some pay dirt.

 

I can tell you right now as a republic employee the new contract won't be any good for the pilot group. It will be small RJ pay for 100 seat flying. The company's position will be the economy is awful take what you get and get over it.

As far as the F9 and midwest guys go be careful of the forked tongue liars from INDY.

Don't drink the Cool-Aid!!!

I have heard they are telling the different pilot groups different answers to the same questions!!!

 

It's my understanding that your union has not even started to file a grievence on this issue. Please tell me I'm wrong.