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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:43 PM
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Mesa is 176 soon to be much much greater
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Diver Driver
Comair is at 319 furloughed right now with more to come through January.
Originally Posted by 3XLoser
Midwest furloughs are now 400
Thank you both.

New Furloughed Total = 7115
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Drums4life
Mesa is 176 soon to be much much greater
Thank you.

We are up to 7115 Furloughed Pilots.

Did I leave or forget anyone else?

Btw....I wish all the furloughed guys nothing but good fortune. Maybe some of the stuff I am getting at can be a small beacon of hope.
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:49 PM
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Read the entire retirement numbers post please, those retirement numbers only include 4 carriers.

It will not be 10 years before airlines start to hire again, you just wait and see.
Ok, my bad.........I'll take your word for it on those numbers. I'm not sure if you have read further into airline economics but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The airlines may hire a bit in the future however, there are just way too many seats in the sky to make any money. So I see quite a bit of downsizing before the numbers tell the real truth. Just because an airline has 300 people set to retire that year doesn't mean they are going to hire another 300 to fill the vacancies.

Sure, maybe every pilot will be sucked up from the street one day. They maybe hiring guys in diapers again. But do you think they are going to pay anybody a livable wage? The reason for the last hiring boom was because the airlines figured out how to take advantage of their cheap help. Sell tickets below a normal cost to pay the bills; the pilots will always fly for close to nothing. Just being a pilot is nothing unless you can pay your bills. Just YOU wait and see.
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:50 PM
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And I believe the list said 136 for ASA. There are now 156 guys on the street.
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:54 PM
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And I believe the list said 136 for ASA. There are now 156 guys on the street.
I'm pretty sure 136 is correct, 156 is most definitely not.
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:55 PM
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Ok, my bad.........I'll take your word for it on those numbers. I'm not sure if you have read further into airline economics but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The airlines may hire a bit in the future however, there are just way too many seats in the sky to make any money. So I see quite a bit of downsizing before the numbers tell the real truth. Just because an airline has 300 people set to retire that year doesn't mean they are going to hire another 300 to fill the vacancies.

Sure, maybe every pilot will be sucked up from the street one day. They maybe hiring guys in diapers again. But do you think they are going to pay anybody a livable wage? The reason for the last hiring boom was because the airlines figured out how to take advantage of their cheap help. Sell tickets below a normal cost to pay the bills; the pilots will always fly for close to nothing. Just being a pilot is nothing unless you can pay your bills. Just YOU wait and see.
Im sorry but if the thousands of men and women above the regional level of flying can't live off of what the majority of them are making, then maybe they need a lesson in Economics 101.

We are not being paid what we deserve, I agree, BUT to say we are not being paid livable wages is an extremely irrational argument.
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Old 11-05-2009 | 12:58 PM
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for some reason im think the united number is a tad low- it should be much higher- ill try and find the exact number
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Old 11-05-2009 | 01:01 PM
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Old 11-05-2009 | 01:03 PM
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Skyway shut down and 200 lost flying jobs. Granted they are no longer in business
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