Why so much attitude from the posts from XJT? I was asked to provide DOT numbers proving my statement and I did. Comments like "nice try buddy" and calling me "son" are not appropriate and prove nothing but ignorance and immaturity. I even commented on how I felt Continental has selected airlines like XJT and CHQ because they BOTH have good numbers and do an exceptional job. Your right those numbers were CO only ops flying out of CLE and IAH. It only proves that we do a great job in those places. If you want system wide numbers I will provide those as well. Keep in mind this includes flying out of all 3 NYC airports (especially LGA and JFK), ORD, ATL, PHL, BOS, etc... Factoring in all the large hub airports we serve, is it fair now to say the numbers should be on par?

SYSTEM WIDE ON-TIME PERFORMANCE CHQ

A14-88.9
D0-82.9
COMPLETION-99.4

WOW this is pathetic. Xjet gets some flying and its they undercut us. Though I am not a big fan of express jet because of how I have been treated in CLE by them (nothing like being flicked off by them as you sit to go to LGA), I am glad to hear that they got some more work and some of their guys will be back online.

Did they undercut air wisconsin, probably. Was it the pilots fault. HeII no. The Xjt managment probably figured it would be better to sacrifice some profit in order to get the work. Air Wisconsin as some one else stated, would have aquisition costs that would have to be passed on to United as they dont have that many airplanes sitting around. This is all a managment function and has nothing to do with the pilots from either group.

As far as ontime percentage goes, comparing CHQ for ontime with Xjet without data that shows per airport is useless. If you want to know how reliable the carrier is, look at the departure board on any given day and see who is running on time the most. CHQ, RW, and S5 do have a higher ontime performance than the other code shares for their respective major express operations.

'cmon now:p

As previously stated by my fellow co-workers, that is simply not true. You guys don't operate through EWR, and let's not forget something VERY important....you don't have ACARS. You can fudge the numbers all you want. Also....work rules have A LOT to do with your paycheck's bottom line and your QOL.

All of our CoEx 145's do have a time reporting system that works the same exact way as your ACARS. We can not fudge times, stop the lies until you get your facts straight! I already commented about EWR and I understand your point. System wide XJT does put out GREAT numbers! Does it cause you and your fellow XJT'ers too much pain just to accept the praise and agree that we (RAH) also put out great numbers. I feel like some XJT posts come from an opinion that they control and are the best when it comes to Continental flying. Why? Continental (like Delta) wants a variety of regional partners, is that a problem?

So when he gets the facts strait he can lie again????

There is one very important pilot group that XJT undercut, a group with hundreds of furloughs, a far better contract than XJTs. The United pilots are the ones who got screwed, stop this regional-regional who is better than who crap. You are all so immature and quick to look down your nose at your brethren at other carriers. I can't believe some of you have demonstrated the "moral character" to hold an ATP.

hahah, why you so salty brotha? Don't worry I am sure there will be another RFP out there soon that you and your brothern will be able to swoop in and take from everyone.............

but seriously we are starting to sound like girls, its almost cute how we all are defending the companies that we work for, when in reality we are ALL WAY OVERWORKED and UNDERPAID.........

Great point, I'm sure a new lie is already on it's way!!

I agree completely. I hope the 9 airplanes we stop flying for UAL next month brings back some crews at UAL, that would be by far the best news in all of this.

Agreed, time to go to work and get overworked and underpaid, good day!

You never go full retard...

Tell me exactly how one regional replacing another regional's lift "undercuts" the mainline any more than previously done? Don't get me wrong - I'd like UAL to recapture small jet flying just as much as anybody else, but IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN without 1. significant, unified labor action, 2. a major change in management attitude, and 3. additional UAL ALPA concessions to recapture that scope which has already been sold/given away/taken/otherwise lost.

And other than payrates, from what I hear from friends who work at UAL (or worked there until their furlough), XJT has better workrules than UAL's narrowbody pilots enjoy.

FWIW boiler I think the United pilots are working on getting mainline flying on 90 seaters. They wouldn't have to renegotiate their scope agreements for this because I believe 66 seats is currently their max.

DISCLAIMER, the following is pure speculation. I think the biggest obstacle United pilots will face in trying to fly 90 seat A/C is SkyWest management. I believe our management is testing the waters with their agreement with AirTran in regards to a "you sell the tickets and we'll operate our own codeshare flights" type of arrangement. It is my personal believe that our COO sees our future growth in the 100 seat market as a codeshare partner rather than a regional affiliate.

I'm not sure how to stop this new trend in the regional industry, but I think its already well under way.

^ What he said

Comparing on time percentages between regionals is pointless. Unless your company provides the ground service for your own flights like the majors do, don't even bother with it.

UAL ALPA already owns 71+ seat scope...with the exception of the "AWAC Quota".

I'm truly glad for that, but regionals are finding loopholes. These are dynamic times and I think the airline landscape may be quite different in 5 years. Just look at what regionals were five years ago vs their respective present day sizes.

Yes, they did.

.......How?

lmao.... awesome response. I was asked a couple of questions and I gave an answer. The incredulous few from the colgan pilot group needs to get wise to the rest of the industry and do some homework. Colgan is no AWAC, XJT, Skywest, or Horizon. The sad thing is that they never will be with this "we are just the same mentality."

COEX ie ExpressJet Airlines used to do all of the flying for big cal. We flew all the trurbo props and the jets when they came. So when we became all jet and they brought in other carriers to fly turbo props it hit a nerve. Then they brought in chq to fly the jets and I gotta tell you when I saw Continental Express written down the side of a chq jet, I was not happy. I think there is a lot of emotion in the responses here. Pilots don't see the other companys managers so their emotion is directed at the only people they see that represent said company, the pilots. I see it on here a lot. RAh taking midwest flying gojets etc. I have been a CA for the last 7 years and I can honestly tell you I have never denied a jumpseat to another pilot. When you meet a pilot from any airline in person face to face, I don't think there is any difference between the two of you. Both of you want to do this job make as much money as possibe and have a good quality of life. This industry is pure luck whether you can get through unruffled. We do this because we love to fly. I am guilty of getting emotional on here and saying things on the board. I think we all are. Sometimes it is hard not to. In a perfect world we would all be at one company with one list and all of a stake in our place of business. We were all student pilots once. Lets remember our roots be happy we have a job we love doing, and get home to our wives and families and let all this stupid bickering stop. Fly safe.

One of the best posts I have read in a long while on here, hopefully some one here will read this and spend a moment to reflect on their own attitude

XJT is no AWAC or Horizon either. I think it's funny that people lump the "good" regionals and the "bad" regionals in groups.

The best regional is the one that allows you to get in, get your time, and get out as fast as possible.

Are you serious?! LoL
 

Listen up people...anyone who flys or rides in an RJ has participated in the undercutting and salary reductions of the airline industry.

Bottom line...there is no pilot brotherhood, there is no reward for hard work, and skill is not valued. This industry is pretty much FedEx, UPS, Southwest, NetJets or BUST...and even those are not guaranteed. So this industry ecnourages people to take the easiest route possible, and possibly even sacrifice pay to get a job, quick upgrade, and advancement to the good jobs. Of course the good jobs get destroyed every time someone takes these RJ jobs. I can't wait for the 150 seat RJ. And people will celebrate when starting FO's will make $30,000 a year to fly the new "Super RJ." And Captains will max out at $90,000. Thanks RJ pilots!

I HATE "REGIONAL" JETS!

Sounds like the guy that didnt get the job he wanted at a regional level!!

Nope...took the 135 route after CFIing to ATP mins, BY MY CHOICE because I knrew there was a lot to learn and the regionals would probably just stifle that, during the start of the "hiring boom," or as I like to call the Future Furlough Boom...I had more than a couple opportunities to go to a regional.

I flew the night freight in the baron and i know what its like. I am glad i had that experience, its priceless. I didnt like flying all night so thats why i went to the regional. 121 is a different world but i like it much better. Not everyone went from zero to hero at the ATPs of the world.

Where do you plan on getting out to?

The regionals have been growing domestically while mainline continues to shrink. The best regionals are the ones that have payscales you can live on and retire on because you may be there much longer than you planned. Oh wait, I forgot the good ones have been gutted while competing with the lowest bidders.:mad:

Good luck finding a good regional these days.

That is a lesson they should be pounding into people's heads during flight training.

I consider it very likely that many of us with just a few years in the industry right now may never work for a major. And if we do, we'll be 50 years old before we can transition over.

Same number (or growing) of regional pilots + shrinking majors = settle in and hope you picked a regional with a decent pay scale and contract.

Don't they have "selecting the best regional for a job 101" at Riddle and UND. Perhaps there should be a mandated course that covers airline pay and benefits at regionals in the curriculum. Better yet add questions about regional pay and benefits to the FAA commercial pilot written test.:D

Once you commit the time and money to this career choice it's a little late to ask what the pay is.

That's called a CAL 737 newhire.

These courses are offered only after you master ' Dealing with other people's unhealthy School-Bashing Issues ' .....perhaps a co-requisite is ' This school promised a lot more than it delivered ' and you might think of reading into George Orwells' 1984 to get an idea of what we're getting ALL over ourselves into haha

Not intending to bash anyone's school. Just trying to make a point about evaluating projected income/benefits and being willing to work for regional wages prior to investing a lot of time and money. Riddle and UND are just high profile examples I randomly picked because everyone is relatively familiar with them. Any avenue taken requires a significant amount of money and effort. I think if more people knew what they would be making for the five to ten plus years at a regional and the general career instability they might consider alternative careers. I have flown with and enjoyed my time with graduates of both programs.

I have read 1984 several times, we are probably much closer than most people realize.