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Old 11-17-2009, 05:20 AM
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I'm an Air Wisconsin pilot and I personally congratulate XJT guys on this flying. I have no hard feelings towards any of them.

To be honest; I and MANY AWAC pilots wanted this more than anything. I commute from DSM to DCA through ORD so you can see why. If not us, I'm glad it's you guys. I have lots of friends at XJT and after close review of your contract I feel XJT deserves this flying.

If anyone wants to see the very thing that United did to Air Wisconsin in 2003-2005 take a look at XJT. CAL has been whipsawing CHQ and Colgan against XJT for a few years now and it needs to END! The undercutting of wages, benefits, and overall QOL at CHQ and Colgan will forever have an impact on all XJT crews.

IMHO ExpressJet did not undercut Air Wisconsin
Get your facts straight before you spread more rumors. CHQ has in no way undercut XJT. I make the EXACT same amount of money as a CA at CHQ as I would at XJT. I have great benefits including good insurance and the best travel benefits of any airline in the system. My QOL as a JUNIOR CA commuting is not nearly as bad as I've heard from others at similar regionals. Let's not forget something VERY important. CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:49 AM
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you say you have the best travel benefits in the system. do you get travel benefits on all the airlines that republic serves, or just chq or just the specific mainline airline that you are serving? always wanted to know.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Releasemaster View Post
One Motel 6 to many when your on the company dime.

Agreed the only way it would truly be better is if the flying went to mainline.

As for the XJT/AWAC ****ing contest I'm glad XJT got this. AWAC has always been arrogant IMO when it comes to UA flying. They need to get over the divorce and apprciate the US flying they bought. Other stuff I could add but I'll leave it at this.
Your kidding right? Lets see, we take a pay cut, get screwed over and then we should be happy about it? Trust us, we don't like UAL. However,with a move to get that flying it would mean that MOST of our guys wouldn't have to commute. When your mission statement still is "To serve United needs", yeah it'd be nice to get some of the flying back. As far as XJT getting the flying, good for them.

And what is your beef with AWAC? I'd love to know.
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Originally Posted by pjflyer View Post
Get your facts straight before you spread more rumors. CHQ has in no way undercut XJT. I make the EXACT same amount of money as a CA at CHQ as I would at XJT. I have great benefits including good insurance and the best travel benefits of any airline in the system. My QOL as a JUNIOR CA commuting is not nearly as bad as I've heard from others at similar regionals. Let's not forget something VERY important. CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!
CHQ actually did undercut XJT. You need to get your facts staight son. You do not make more than a xjt CA. And your travel benefits are terrible in comparison. Your entire post lends no merrit. CHQ will be out of Houston in March, and March can't come soon enough. Also your entire operation was a laughing stock and still is. You may now have better numbers out of Houston because your company operates like five planes out of there.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pjflyer View Post
Get your facts straight before you spread more rumors. CHQ has in no way undercut XJT. I make the EXACT same amount of money as a CA at CHQ as I would at XJT. I have great benefits including good insurance and the best travel benefits of any airline in the system. My QOL as a JUNIOR CA commuting is not nearly as bad as I've heard from others at similar regionals. Let's not forget something VERY important. CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!
I don't even think you realize what your missing out on. If you even think you have it marginally close to an industry leading contract your are crazy.

Let me spell out a few things for you.....
MX Cancellation pay
WX Cancellation pay
Min day pay
Duty Rigs
401K Matching up to 5%
Primary Vacation Trip touching....I didn't work the entire month f June and I'm not very senior at all
Day rooms with sits over 4:30...love seeing you guys chilling out in the crew rooms in LGA and PHL when were heading to the hotel during snow storms.
Primary pay for picking up open time....Time and a half for any flying on a day off
Primary pay for junior mans..yes we can be junior manned but we are payed accordingly.

BTW this is Air Wisconsin's contract strong points. Which is supposedly similar to ExpressJet's.

All of these things alone add up to several thousand dollars above my hourly pay rate every year. So go throw yours out there......Whatcha got?

Comparable pay rates? Under ExpressJet's normal contract CHQ pay isn't even close! In fact it averages two to three dollars less per hour. Your company wide F/O pay is RIDICULOUS! I make more money every year flying my little barbie jet than your F/O's on the 190! Your company is a joke! I wish your pilots would get a spine and do something for yourselves....you think you got it? You don't!

Our pilots suffer. They suffer for having integrity! You sit blindly in your ivory tower while your management laughs all the way to the bank.

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Originally Posted by ground stop View Post
you say you have the best travel benefits in the system. do you get travel benefits on all the airlines that republic serves, or just chq or just the specific mainline airline that you are serving? always wanted to know.
Depends of where you are based. You get all mainline partner's per the base you are flying out of. In some cases you may have benefits on 3-5 airlines. The downside is there all charging now except for Delta and UsAirways domestic. United just charged me and my wife $985 for a LAX-SYD R/T. Still worth it, but when my friend BUYS a ticket for $880 there is a big problem. Airlines are now trying to make a profit (sometimes large) on employee travel.
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I honestly don't see anything in there that is not there at xjet. Although we do not get time and a half for picking up open time, But we do get 6 percent matching plus a b fund.
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Originally Posted by Tugun View Post
I honestly don't see anything in there that is not there at xjet. Although we do not get time and a half for picking up open time, But we do get 6 percent matching plus a b fund.
Good, I'm glad, that's the min I think all contracts should be at. And our contract is concessionary (Also, remember, our pay rates are a bit higher, and they would be higher still if we didn't get the ol shaft from UAL the last time). Everyone should aim for Xjet/AWAC has a STARTING point for a contract. End of story.
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Originally Posted by Tugun View Post
CHQ actually did undercut XJT. You need to get your facts staight son. You do not make more than a xjt CA. And your travel benefits are terrible in comparison. Your entire post lends no merrit. CHQ will be out of Houston in March, and March can't come soon enough. Also your entire operation was a laughing stock and still is. You may now have better numbers out of Houston because your company operates like five planes out of there.
I never said I made more, just the same. I agree 100% that the IAH CRJ operation is nothing to write home about, but CRJ's were the only crappy plane available at the time to fly for CoEx. The operation is by no way "laughing stock!" It seems nearly every time I'm in CLE the gate, ramp, and supervisor's prefer our operation to XJT. I even got to go to the fancy C terminal and the ramper immediately commented how much easier and faster it was to work our flights. It is a FACT and has been since we started flying for Continental that our number's beat any CoEx carrier, sometimes by 5 to 10 percentage points. My post if factual. Yours is out of complete jealousy and ignorance.
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Old 11-17-2009, 06:24 AM
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And if CHQ did in fact, in your opinion, undercut XJT then you can guarantee that XJT undercut AWE. There is no doubt that XJT offered the lowest bid to do this flying. When XJT first was awarded the summer UAL flying, our CEO (Republic) specifically stated that there would be NO way we could offer such a low price and it seemed XJT would be willing to loose money to secure new flying. Why, if we are such a low-ball company if your eyes, would we turn down flying for such a cheap price? Ohh yeah, this came during the same time as the concessions at XJT, something that DID NOT happen at CHQ. Instead Continental specifically stated to CHQ that we were not the lowest bidder for the new CoEx flying, but our operational stats made up for the higher cost. Will there be another round of concessions at XJT for this new flying, there won't be at CHQ and we are bringing back furlough's at F9 and Republic starting now.
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