XJT undercut AWAC?
11-17-2009 | 11:44 AM
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So if the tables were turned and XJT had bought Midwest, you and your entire pilot group would have not flown the routes? An arbitrator ruled that the Midwest pilot group did not have rights to fly the E-190's once the 717's were off property. Midwest management sold out their entire pilot group, yet you place the blame on the pilots of RAH? United just retired their last 737 and lots of crews are out of jobs and yet XJT is adding UAL flying. This decision was made by United management just the EXACT SAME as a decision was made by Midwest management to sell off the company and its crews. I guess if karma is going to be an issue, you better hope United doesn't hire again in the future.
I have seen the Midwest video and it is sad for sure. I hope and pray for the best for all the crews and employees and Midex. I hope we can get them on property ASAP! They did nothing wrong, yet management has sold them out after all they gave to make Midwest such a great company.
Just like you said, what people say doesn't mean crap. I am seeing DOT numbers that indicate that we beat XJT in performance system wide, yet you see completely different numbers from your company. I guess we'll just have to call it even. I think the reliability at XJT is great compared with most regionals, but CHQ is also very, very good. Again, I have had NO cancellations caused by MX since operating the CoEx flights, nor do I hardly ever here about one (except for the damn CRJ's)! I think Continental prides themselves on having good regional partners and is willing to pay a bit more to achieve this. I have had nothing but positive feedback from Continental since we started flying in Cleveland.
I have seen the Midwest video and it is sad for sure. I hope and pray for the best for all the crews and employees and Midex. I hope we can get them on property ASAP! They did nothing wrong, yet management has sold them out after all they gave to make Midwest such a great company.
Just like you said, what people say doesn't mean crap. I am seeing DOT numbers that indicate that we beat XJT in performance system wide, yet you see completely different numbers from your company. I guess we'll just have to call it even. I think the reliability at XJT is great compared with most regionals, but CHQ is also very, very good. Again, I have had NO cancellations caused by MX since operating the CoEx flights, nor do I hardly ever here about one (except for the damn CRJ's)! I think Continental prides themselves on having good regional partners and is willing to pay a bit more to achieve this. I have had nothing but positive feedback from Continental since we started flying in Cleveland.
If you can come up with numbers, great. But if not, realize that using your own experiences (such as "I haven't seen a MX cancellation..." or "gate agents have been saying...") aren't representative of the entire operation as a whole. Numbers are what count, and since I've listened to the regular Flight Ops update voicemail that XJT puts out, the "other Continental Express carrier" mentioned has routinely been behind XJT in terms of completion.
11-17-2009 | 01:01 PM
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Im an AWAC pilot... dont think that any wisky pilot out there has anything against XJT. We all were glad to see that you got the flying and are glad that you will have room for advancement and get some of your pilots off the street. Again congrats for securing some flying!
11-17-2009 | 05:21 PM
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I'd love to see those numbers. Do you have a link? I can't seem to find them. All I can find is the DOT's Bureau of Transportation Statistics, and it appears Republic as a whole isn't represented on the site.
If you can come up with numbers, great. But if not, realize that using your own experiences (such as "I haven't seen a MX cancellation..." or "gate agents have been saying...") aren't representative of the entire operation as a whole. Numbers are what count, and since I've listened to the regular Flight Ops update voicemail that XJT puts out, the "other Continental Express carrier" mentioned has routinely been behind XJT in terms of completion.
If you can come up with numbers, great. But if not, realize that using your own experiences (such as "I haven't seen a MX cancellation..." or "gate agents have been saying...") aren't representative of the entire operation as a whole. Numbers are what count, and since I've listened to the regular Flight Ops update voicemail that XJT puts out, the "other Continental Express carrier" mentioned has routinely been behind XJT in terms of completion.
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS ON-TIME PERFORMANCE ENDING 2008
A14
CHAUTAUQUA-87.5
EXPRESSJET-84
D0
CHAUTAUQUA-81.3
EXPRESSJET-73.8
11-17-2009 | 06:45 PM
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I found some numbers to start with. I'm sorry but I can only find year end 08' results as of right now. I will look for Q1 and Q2, but again I think the results are very similar.
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS ON-TIME PERFORMANCE ENDING 2008
A14
CHAUTAUQUA-87.5
EXPRESSJET-84
D0
CHAUTAUQUA-81.3
EXPRESSJET-73.8
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS ON-TIME PERFORMANCE ENDING 2008
A14
CHAUTAUQUA-87.5
EXPRESSJET-84
D0
CHAUTAUQUA-81.3
EXPRESSJET-73.8
Here is a list showing the on time performance from January to July of this year. Take from it what you will, just keep in mind that this ranking depicts Mesa as being on par with ExpressJet.
Airline On-Time Arrival Pct Jan-July 2009
Carrier On-Time Arrival Pct.
1. Hawaiian 91.71
2. Southwest 83.08
3. Pinnacle 83.07
4. SkyWest 82.45
5. Alaska 80.22
6. Northwest 79.61
7. US Airways 79.51
8. United 79.15
9. ExpressJet 78.26
10. Mesa 78.02
11. Continental 77.67
12. Delta 77.00
13. Frontier 76.94
14. American Eagle 76.65
15. AirTran 75.77
16. JetBlue 75.57
17. American 75.36
18. Atlantic Southeast 69.81
19. Comair 66.31
All Airlines 78.69
Source: Bureau of Transportation Statistic
11-17-2009 | 07:42 PM
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I found some numbers to start with. I'm sorry but I can only find year end 08' results as of right now. I will look for Q1 and Q2, but again I think the results are very similar.
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS ON-TIME PERFORMANCE ENDING 2008
A14
CHAUTAUQUA-87.5
EXPRESSJET-84
D0
CHAUTAUQUA-81.3
EXPRESSJET-73.8
CONTINENTAL EXPRESS ON-TIME PERFORMANCE ENDING 2008
A14
CHAUTAUQUA-87.5
EXPRESSJET-84
D0
CHAUTAUQUA-81.3
EXPRESSJET-73.8
Ok first of all, if you are just talking about continental ops, XJT operates over 200 aircraft for CAL and also included in and out of EWR! CHQ operates what, 45? All they are all in and out of CLE and IAH. Are you kidding me? The worst airline on planet earth should be able to get over a 90% on time percentage out of these airports. You can't compare over 200 aircraft flying through EWR with 45 aircraft flying through CLE and IAH. The fact that XJT is that close to you guys even with EWR pretty much tells the story. Nice try though buddy!
11-17-2009 | 08:06 PM
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Ok first of all, if you are just talking about continental ops, XJT operates over 200 aircraft for CAL and also included in and out of EWR! CHQ operates what, 45? All they are all in and out of CLE and IAH. Are you kidding me? The worst airline on planet earth should be able to get over a 90% on time percentage out of these airports. You can't compare over 200 aircraft flying through EWR with 45 aircraft flying through CLE and IAH. The fact that XJT is that close to you guys even with EWR pretty much tells the story. Nice try though buddy!
11-17-2009 | 08:36 PM
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Hey man not saying one is better than the other, just saw the facts and had to comment. I think they both do a good job being on time. Its just hard to use DOT on time stats to support an argument when you operate through hubs like EWR, ORD, ect. Speaking for EWR, every flight after 12pm is going to be delayed at least 30 mins automatically. Having a 75% + on time arrival rate even with that is pretty darn good I'd say. Obviously the other 25% is mainly all the EWR flights.
11-17-2009 | 10:24 PM
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Hey man not saying one is better than the other, just saw the facts and had to comment. I think they both do a good job being on time. Its just hard to use DOT on time stats to support an argument when you operate through hubs like EWR, ORD, ect. Speaking for EWR, every flight after 12pm is going to be delayed at least 30 mins automatically. Having a 75% + on time arrival rate even with that is pretty darn good I'd say. Obviously the other 25% is mainly all the EWR flights.
Safe flying amigo
11-18-2009 | 02:57 AM
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Will the MEC stand up and hire those pilots from MESA and offer Longevity?
Will the ARW MEC stand up and offer pilots at PSA/Piedmont longevity at their airline.
Short of any actually doing something that helps the rest of the North American Regionals getting stability amongst their ranks, it will continue to toss Media emails around like they are actually doing something.
11-18-2009 | 03:00 AM
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No they are actually getting a pay increase in december of 3% which I believe makes XJT more labor cost prohibitive. While I applaude the Air Whiskey guys stance, I believe the bigger issue what to do with pilots affected by this transfer of flying.
Will the MEC stand up and hire those pilots from MESA and offer Longevity?
Will the ARW MEC stand up and offer pilots at PSA/Piedmont longevity at their airline.
Short of any actually doing something that helps the rest of the North American Regionals getting stability amongst their ranks, it will continue to toss Media emails around like they are actually doing something.
Will the MEC stand up and hire those pilots from MESA and offer Longevity?
Will the ARW MEC stand up and offer pilots at PSA/Piedmont longevity at their airline.
Short of any actually doing something that helps the rest of the North American Regionals getting stability amongst their ranks, it will continue to toss Media emails around like they are actually doing something.
You want to have a permanent upgrade, add stability to your career.
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