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pjflyer 11-18-2009 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 713404)
Ok first of all, if you are just talking about continental ops, XJT operates over 200 aircraft for CAL and also included in and out of EWR! CHQ operates what, 45? All they are all in and out of CLE and IAH. Are you kidding me? The worst airline on planet earth should be able to get over a 90% on time percentage out of these airports. You can't compare over 200 aircraft flying through EWR with 45 aircraft flying through CLE and IAH. The fact that XJT is that close to you guys even with EWR pretty much tells the story. Nice try though buddy!

Why so much attitude from the posts from XJT? I was asked to provide DOT numbers proving my statement and I did. Comments like "nice try buddy" and calling me "son" are not appropriate and prove nothing but ignorance and immaturity. I even commented on how I felt Continental has selected airlines like XJT and CHQ because they BOTH have good numbers and do an exceptional job. Your right those numbers were CO only ops flying out of CLE and IAH. It only proves that we do a great job in those places. If you want system wide numbers I will provide those as well. Keep in mind this includes flying out of all 3 NYC airports (especially LGA and JFK), ORD, ATL, PHL, BOS, etc... Factoring in all the large hub airports we serve, is it fair now to say the numbers should be on par?

SYSTEM WIDE ON-TIME PERFORMANCE CHQ

A14-88.9
D0-82.9
COMPLETION-99.4

Killer51883 11-18-2009 05:17 AM

WOW this is pathetic. Xjet gets some flying and its they undercut us. Though I am not a big fan of express jet because of how I have been treated in CLE by them (nothing like being flicked off by them as you sit to go to LGA), I am glad to hear that they got some more work and some of their guys will be back online.

Did they undercut air wisconsin, probably. Was it the pilots fault. HeII no. The Xjt managment probably figured it would be better to sacrifice some profit in order to get the work. Air Wisconsin as some one else stated, would have aquisition costs that would have to be passed on to United as they dont have that many airplanes sitting around. This is all a managment function and has nothing to do with the pilots from either group.

As far as ontime percentage goes, comparing CHQ for ontime with Xjet without data that shows per airport is useless. If you want to know how reliable the carrier is, look at the departure board on any given day and see who is running on time the most. CHQ, RW, and S5 do have a higher ontime performance than the other code shares for their respective major express operations.

JoeyMeatballs 11-18-2009 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 713497)
CHQ, RW, and S5 do have a higher ontime performance than the other code shares for their respective major express operations.



'cmon now:p

Jetlinker 11-18-2009 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by pjflyer (Post 712925)
Get your facts straight before you spread more rumors. CHQ has in no way undercut XJT. I make the EXACT same amount of money as a CA at CHQ as I would at XJT. I have great benefits including good insurance and the best travel benefits of any airline in the system. My QOL as a JUNIOR CA commuting is not nearly as bad as I've heard from others at similar regionals. Let's not forget something VERY important. CHQ has put out better numbers (completion and on-time) than XJT every quarter since beginning the Continental Express flying. I have had NO maintenance cancellations and can only recall one delay of 15 minutes in over a year. There is no junior manning and we even get Christmas bonuses. Stop the hating!

As previously stated by my fellow co-workers, that is simply not true. You guys don't operate through EWR, and let's not forget something VERY important....you don't have ACARS. You can fudge the numbers all you want. Also....work rules have A LOT to do with your paycheck's bottom line and your QOL.

pjflyer 11-18-2009 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlinker (Post 713516)
As previously stated by my fellow co-workers, that is simply not true. You guys don't operate through EWR, and let's not forget something VERY important....you don't have ACARS. You can fudge the numbers all you want. Also....work rules have A LOT to do with your paycheck's bottom line and your QOL.

All of our CoEx 145's do have a time reporting system that works the same exact way as your ACARS. We can not fudge times, stop the lies until you get your facts straight! I already commented about EWR and I understand your point. System wide XJT does put out GREAT numbers! Does it cause you and your fellow XJT'ers too much pain just to accept the praise and agree that we (RAH) also put out great numbers. I feel like some XJT posts come from an opinion that they control and are the best when it comes to Continental flying. Why? Continental (like Delta) wants a variety of regional partners, is that a problem?

CaptKrunch 11-18-2009 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by pjflyer (Post 713522)
All of our CoEx 145's do have a time reporting system that works the same exact way as your ACARS. We can not fudge times, stop the lies until you get your facts straight! I already commented about EWR and I understand your point. System wide XJT does put out GREAT numbers! Does it cause you and your fellow XJT'ers too much pain just to accept the praise and agree that we (RAH) also put out great numbers. I feel like some XJT posts come from an opinion that they control and are the best when it comes to Continental flying. Why? Continental (like Delta) wants a variety of regional partners, is that a problem?

So when he gets the facts strait he can lie again????

ebl14 11-18-2009 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Kenny (Post 712967)
The idea that they undercut anybody, much less AWAC is laughable.

There is one very important pilot group that XJT undercut, a group with hundreds of furloughs, a far better contract than XJTs. The United pilots are the ones who got screwed, stop this regional-regional who is better than who crap. You are all so immature and quick to look down your nose at your brethren at other carriers. I can't believe some of you have demonstrated the "moral character" to hold an ATP.

JoeyMeatballs 11-18-2009 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by pjflyer (Post 713522)
All of our CoEx 145's do have a time reporting system that works the same exact way as your ACARS. We can not fudge times, stop the lies until you get your facts straight! I already commented about EWR and I understand your point. System wide XJT does put out GREAT numbers! Does it cause you and your fellow XJT'ers too much pain just to accept the praise and agree that we (RAH) also put out great numbers. I feel like some XJT posts come from an opinion that they control and are the best when it comes to Continental flying. Why? Continental (like Delta) wants a variety of regional partners, is that a problem?



hahah, why you so salty brotha? Don't worry I am sure there will be another RFP out there soon that you and your brothern will be able to swoop in and take from everyone.............

but seriously we are starting to sound like girls, its almost cute how we all are defending the companies that we work for, when in reality we are ALL WAY OVERWORKED and UNDERPAID.........

pjflyer 11-18-2009 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by CaptKrunch (Post 713524)
So when he gets the facts strait he can lie again????


Great point, I'm sure a new lie is already on it's way!!

pjflyer 11-18-2009 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 713528)
There is one very important pilot group that XJT undercut, a group with hundreds of furloughs, a far better contract than XJTs. The United pilots are the ones who got screwed, stop this regional-regional who is better than who crap. You are all so immature and quick to look down your nose at your brethren at other carriers. I can't believe some of you have demonstrated the "moral character" to hold an ATP.

I agree completely. I hope the 9 airplanes we stop flying for UAL next month brings back some crews at UAL, that would be by far the best news in all of this.


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