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newarkblows 11-16-2009 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 712526)
It is a valid question for those few who love to point at others but never at themselves.

I do not directly have a dog in this fight (mesa, XJET, or AirWisc) but some people on here do live the double standard.

Flying shifted from XJet to Colgan = Bad?
Flying shifted to XJet instead of Air Wisc is Good? Even though AirWiskey would not give more concessions to secure the flying?

If Newarkblows truly cares about the profession he would have wanted this flying to go to the airline who would refuse to take further concessions to secure flying (AirWiskey).


But whatever...I'm going to get drunk and play Call of Duty

Dont take it out on me that you work for an airline with no respect for its pilots. You signed up for that one.

If you understood how different regionals stack up you would know that AWAC and XJT have very different contracts but very similar end results. Both companies have strong contracts, similar pay, and each has strong and weak points in the contract. We really are very similar when it comes to compensation and QOL. While you can throw pay rates against each other in a straight comparison it will do you little good when you look at the big picture.

CAL-XJT-CJC = bad. UAL-Mesa-XJT = not great but better.

As far as AWAC being asked to take a pay cut. I really think it was a management ploy for contract negotiations. "see we didnt get the bid because we are too expensive." It was between XJT and TSA in the end. TSA employees are not treated well.... so how did xjt win??? hmmmmm

newarkblows 11-16-2009 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 712812)
It was a gamble and it will pay-off. For now I am finishing up law school. When I get recalled I will go back to mainline seniority number.

I don't justify the way Colgan treats their people. I do, however, stick up for my fellow pilots at Colgan when they get bashed by people like you and Clocks.

Many many many people are happy at Colgan with their 18 days off and 100 hours of pay and 4 weeks vacation, company paid life insurance, etc. Some people aren't. And there are some SERIOUS room for improvements.

Good-night.

If you really think Colgan pilots have it so great i would love to educate you on how realistically they are basically working in a sweat shop.

When do they find out their schedules for the next month so they can plan their 18 days off? haha
Vacation policies?
Retirement accounts?
can they trade trips easily and possibly on their own computer without crew scheduling?
punitive sick call policies?
general respect for their employees?
good hotels or are they in Motel 8's next to a burger kind and a truck stop?
prior to the union how did the company help out pilots who were violated?(CJC threw a couple guys under the bus)
street captains?
per diem on day trips?
trip quality?

your damn right there is some room for improvement. How can you compare an airline like that to any respectable airline? the kool aid must have been pretty good if your still defending that circus.

Talk to someone at a better regional and ask them those questions and remember how you were treated at colgan. If you can HONESTLY tell me that those colgan people are "enjoying" their time off as they wait in the food stamp or welfare line then i will gladly shutup. Most of the colgan guys (especially on here) are so clueless that they are stepping in their own drool thinking about q400's in IAH that they cant even comprehend how badly they are being treated.

JoeyMeatballs 11-16-2009 08:29 PM

ahhaha DME arc I dont know what Colgan your talking about but between my experience and the guys I talked to in Terminal C, Colgan is still Colgan...........

waflyboy 11-16-2009 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by Blkflyer (Post 712633)
I dont know why people even care who gets United flying anyway I predict UNITED will file Chapters 11 in about 18 months anyway, United is Bleeding right now and the inevitable will come anyway..

sniff!! sniff!! What is that smell???.... It smells like.... like a bailout.

Jay5150 11-16-2009 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 712812)
Many many many people are happy at Colgan with their 18 days off and 100 hours of pay and 4 weeks vacation, company paid life insurance, etc. Some people aren't. And there are some SERIOUS room for improvements.

Good-night.

Just curious. How many is "Many many many"? And you're saying that these folks are averaging 7 hours and 40-something minutes a day in a 31 day month? I'm talking their original line, and not premium pay or overrides for this that or the other.

FlyJSH 11-16-2009 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 712824)
If you really think Colgan pilots have it so great i would love to educate you on how realistically they are basically working in a sweat shop.


good hotels or are they in Motel 8's next to a burger kind and a truck stop?
.

It is Motel 6, but only in Del Rio.

Releasemaster 11-16-2009 11:36 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 712874)
It is Motel 6, but it is only in Del Rio.

One Motel 6 to many when your on the company dime.

Agreed the only way it would truly be better is if the flying went to mainline.

As for the XJT/AWAC ****ing contest I'm glad XJT got this. AWAC has always been arrogant IMO when it comes to UA flying. They need to get over the divorce and apprciate the US flying they bought. Other stuff I could add but I'll leave it at this.

jeepcrawln 11-16-2009 11:54 PM

Can you tell the difference between management and pilots, as far as I know AWAC pilots have no problems with XJT getting this United flying and since i am an AWAC pilot where are you getting your information? And in regards to the US flying again i believe that was management that gave the loan not the pilots..... Out of curiosity what do you have against AWAC since you had "other stuff" you could have added but didn't.... I am proud to be an AWAC pilot and am glad our pilot group/union did not play management games.....and although I would have liked AWAC to get the UAL flying I am happy XJT got it because they are a reputable pilot group.

plasticpi 11-17-2009 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 712824)
If you really think Colgan pilots have it so great i would love to educate you on how realistically they are basically working in a sweat shop.

When do they find out their schedules for the next month so they can plan their 18 days off? haha
Vacation policies?
Retirement accounts?
can they trade trips easily and possibly on their own computer without crew scheduling?
punitive sick call policies?
general respect for their employees?
good hotels or are they in Motel 8's next to a burger kind and a truck stop?
prior to the union how did the company help out pilots who were violated?(CJC threw a couple guys under the bus)
street captains?
per diem on day trips?
trip quality?

your damn right there is some room for improvement. How can you compare an airline like that to any respectable airline? the kool aid must have been pretty good if your still defending that circus.

Talk to someone at a better regional and ask them those questions and remember how you were treated at colgan. If you can HONESTLY tell me that those colgan people are "enjoying" their time off as they wait in the food stamp or welfare line then i will gladly shutup. Most of the colgan guys (especially on here) are so clueless that they are stepping in their own drool thinking about q400's in IAH that they cant even comprehend how badly they are being treated.

I don't have much time here, as I'm waiting in the food stamp/welfare line, because I don't know if I have to work tomorrow or not, and there's no welfare office near any of the Lucky Strike Motel/Truck stops they put us up in for our 9 hour overnights. I have to trade trips via telegraph, or maybe smoke signals, so I won't be able to move anything around to get this food stamp thing taken care of. I'd call in sick, but they'll hobble my ankles if I do. But, I do have time to say this:

Go do your job, and quit worrying about us. We're fine.

plasticpi 11-17-2009 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 712874)
It is Motel 6, but only in Del Rio.

Can you find a better hotel in Del Rio? :D

Seriously, though, we stay in normal hotels. The days of staying in dives died years ago. Still some good stories though.


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