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mking84 11-16-2009 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Clocks (Post 712531)
TSA, Mesa, Colgan

AWAC and Xjet = "best"

Did xjet take concessions to secure this flying?

NO THEY DID NOT

Clocks 11-16-2009 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by mking84 (Post 712591)
NO THEY DID NOT

It was rhetorical. Take a deep breath.

blastoff 11-16-2009 01:00 PM

Economies of scale people. XJT is a much larger company and thus has a much lower cost structure.

goaround2000 11-16-2009 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Clocks (Post 712594)
It was rhetorical. Take a deep breath.

You'll have to forgive the brother, this is the first piece of good news we've gotten in a while around these parts, and having people post lies and speculation is certainly in poor taste and it shows the caliber of some of the people that work in the industry...I guess some tools just slip through the cracks.

I got what you were saying though.

Cheers

Clocks 11-16-2009 01:02 PM

I'm furloughed xjet btw...

This flying wont bring me back though.

goaround2000 11-16-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Clocks (Post 712602)
I'm furloughed xjet btw...

This flying wont bring me back though.

This is just a pure educated guess on my part, but if you're in the top 150, I think there's a chance you'll see the inside of an embraer sometime in the near future. Again, I have no actual concrete evidence of such, just some funny math....

NightIP 11-16-2009 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Clocks (Post 712602)
I'm furloughed xjet btw...

This flying wont bring me back though.

I feel your pain. I'm pretty happy where I'm at, but 402 time gets old after about 1000 hours of it. I'm almost 300 down on the furlough list and am a little disappointed that if we don't get back on this round, it may be a while yet.

saab2000 11-16-2009 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 712529)
Is this 100% accurate that AWAC management came to the MEC to ask for paycuts to get this flying?

I gotta tell you I have known for a while that there was a VERY VERY VERY VERY good chance that we were going to get this flying.........

Just last Friday there was a meeting requesting concessions and clearly the intent was to associate the concessions with the securing of a contract.

Clocks 11-16-2009 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 712607)
I feel your pain. I'm pretty happy where I'm at, but 402 time gets old after about 1000 hours of it. I'm almost 300 down on the furlough list and am a little disappointed that if we don't get back on this round, it may be a while yet.

If you figure of the 347, 275 will eventually accept recall (wild ass guess).

If the UAL recall brings back 100 (optimistic), that means after this deal there will still be ~ 175 who will eventually accept recall.

After the initial recall they probably wont recall any more in 2010, since 10 UAL planes leave in October.

So starting in Spring 2011, xjet needs to start recalling to handle attrition, we're down to just 6 months worth of recalls, and everyone is back by fall 2011. Without the UAL flying recalls would have been over 9 months worth of classes, and would have had to extend to Spring 2012.

At least that's my completely-unsubstantiated-wild-ass-guess of how the next few years will play out.

dosbo 11-16-2009 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 712598)
Economies of scale people. XJT is a much larger company and thus has a much lower cost structure.

Don'y forget that AWAC's owners demand a much higher profit margin.


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