Colgan's fatigue policy....
12-31-2009, 02:51 PM
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Who cares about that policy.
If you are fatigued and feel you cannot operate the aircraft SAFELY you call in.
Typical scare tatics from pinchanickel management. They have these policies because they run the staffing so lean. What other companies have their reserves flying 60-80 hours a month?
If you are fatigued and feel you cannot operate the aircraft SAFELY you call in.
Typical scare tatics from pinchanickel management. They have these policies because they run the staffing so lean. What other companies have their reserves flying 60-80 hours a month?
12-31-2009, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Ahh yes.... the kinder Colgan:
Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:
1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.
*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
...
The Safety Department will ultimately determine whether a fatigue call is acceptable or not. However, a fatigue call that is not accepted will be referred to the Chief Pilot or Inflight Base Manager for disposition.
...
Any further blatant abuse of the fatigue option will be addressed as a disciplinary action, and fatigue resulting from an improper use of rest periods or personal time off duty will be treated as missed trips. This policy begins immediately.
god I love this place.
Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:
1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.
*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.
...
The Safety Department will ultimately determine whether a fatigue call is acceptable or not. However, a fatigue call that is not accepted will be referred to the Chief Pilot or Inflight Base Manager for disposition.
...
Any further blatant abuse of the fatigue option will be addressed as a disciplinary action, and fatigue resulting from an improper use of rest periods or personal time off duty will be treated as missed trips. This policy begins immediately.
god I love this place.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
12-31-2009, 03:07 PM
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Wow, you guys are defending this?
My previous airline now has fatigue calls fall under the ASAP program. Call in fatigued, send in an ASAP, no punishment or even the risk of it.
My current airline has a "no questions asked" policy about fatigue. If you're fatigued, call in, and they don't ask questions about why. They even pay you at 100% of your scheduled line value so you don't make it a financial decision instead of a safety decision. And no, people don't abuse it.
There is no excuse for Colgan's fatigue policy.
My previous airline now has fatigue calls fall under the ASAP program. Call in fatigued, send in an ASAP, no punishment or even the risk of it.
My current airline has a "no questions asked" policy about fatigue. If you're fatigued, call in, and they don't ask questions about why. They even pay you at 100% of your scheduled line value so you don't make it a financial decision instead of a safety decision. And no, people don't abuse it.
There is no excuse for Colgan's fatigue policy.
12-31-2009, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
People HAVE been abusing this policy. Its put in place as a safety measure and people abuse it to get days off or be released from reserve early which we can all agree is completely unprofessional and makes life harder for everyone else out there.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
It also says mitigating circumstances will be considered, that does not mean they will be accepted as excusable.
There is no excuse for any airline to intimidate pilots into flying fatigued. Many airlines use subtle intimidation tactics. Most don't want to risk the liability of having a written "no fatigue calls accepted" approach.
Last edited by rustypigeon; 12-31-2009 at 03:28 PM.
12-31-2009, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rustypigeon
It does not allow for any mitigating circumstances if you just came from a day off. If you get a bad night sleep on your day off, a fatigue call will not be accepted.
It also says mitigating circumstances will be considered, that does not mean they will be accepted as excusable.
It also says mitigating circumstances will be considered, that does not mean they will be accepted as excusable.
12-31-2009, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
So what do you say about the people who abuse this policy to get days off and released from reserve early?
12-31-2009, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
So what do you say about the people who abuse this policy to get days off and released from reserve early?
12-31-2009, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
So what do you say about the people who abuse this policy to get days off and released from reserve early?
12-31-2009, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
People HAVE been abusing this policy. Its put in place as a safety measure and people abuse it to get days off or be released from reserve early which we can all agree is completely unprofessional and makes life harder for everyone else out there.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
and apparently people who posted on this board can't read well because there is this note "*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable." in case you do get a bad nights sleep or for whatever reason are fatigued.
Originally Posted by flyguyniner11
So what do you say about the people who abuse this policy to get days off and released from reserve early?
12-31-2009, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Are you part of management? Chief pilot? Assistant chief pilot?
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