Lowlevel

Another example: First year regional FO (@$22), 50 seat aircraft, full flights, six legs, 8 hours block time = $0.58 per passenger.

Dan64456

My thoughts exactly... Good post!

stoki

Which brings us to the next point. There are too may airlines, too much competition between them for a piece of the pie, and there are always a few that help keep the fares low by undercutting the competition and in turn making everyone else do the same, or lose.

Which brings us to yet the next point. Reregulation.

Cruise

While I don't disagree with your line of thinking at all. It should be noted the 'actual' cost of an employee to the employer is approx. double the hourly rate. So, in your example, the FO would actually cost the company $44/hr....the 'hidden' expenses are in insurance, SSI, and stuff like that.

That being said, the actual cost per passenger is still PENNIES! Airline management should be ashamed of themselves for suggesting labor cost is dragging their business down.

TonyWilliams

The airlines aren't competing with cars. Sure, when Southwest started flying in Texas, they were. But, since the jet age, a trip from JFK to LAX doesn't.

They compete against other sources of travel, which are typically other airlines. In Europe, it's a good rail system that competes.

I just bought a ticket, SAN to JFK on JetBlue; $120. I threw in another $40 for a preferred seat. Unbelievably cheap. As long as there is a lot of competition (there is on this route), the price will be cheap in a free economy.

If I want to go to SAN to LAX tomorrow, which I can drive in less time than flying, the cheapest fare is $300.

Competition with cars really has no bearing.

TonyWilliams

And each pilot accepted the wage he/she receives. Not one was forced to do so.

I hope we never see a CAB again, and I seriously doubt we will, because like a national seniority list, and guaranteed wide body captain jobs for all pilots, it's a wet dream.

Zapata

Actually, among other reasons, that is precisely why I entered the industry. Currently, I am happy with my pay, bennies, work rules and QOL. (knock on wood)

hindsight2020

I wish you well on your personal outcome, but the industry is NOT known for stable employment, competitive pay and "amicable" work rules, so your assertion is disingenuous. Ergo, people who willfully enter the working conditions as known to the median pilot are doing so for the non-economic valuation of getting paid in sunrises and sunsets. In that regard, it IS a hobby job.

Most of the mil dudes I know who are stuck at the regionals only do so because they got the retirement check coming every month and can afford to "spend their time" playing airline pilot. They don't even blink at the assertion. They are no less toxic to the stability of your said "profession" as the starry eyed wonder kid that slept through economics 101 and plunked down six figure debt for the "privilege" of a perma-sub-median-individual income hobby-job. For the rest of us with the required qualifications and a grounded understanding of the aforementioned maslow's hierarchy of needs, we take our skillset home and do something else with our time. Like the other poster alluded to, so that our kids don't have to eat ramen noodles just so I can get my pilot jollies off inside of banking hours.

But that recognition is as much of a pipedream as the re-regulation bit. People will continue to line up to get paid with an emotion and there's nothing you can do at an individual level to stifle that impetus. Cabotage will put an end to it though, at least as it pertains to the american labor pool, just like the cruise ships. Even regional guys and the retirement check crowd will not take a liking to this job when it's flown with a flag of convenience on the side of that aluminum can. There's no indication from my observations of the behavior of the FAA that they'll be able to 180 the airline lobby. So then, where is this job protectionism gonna come from? You, my "vocational peers"? Yeah right. Buffalo was a waste of innocent human lives, and even that fades quickly in our collective attention deficit disorder. I cringe at the idea of working for an organization where people have to die needlessly so that my peers can wake the hell up and recognize there's a social cost to doing things 'just because it sounds fun'.

Lowlevel

Notice I did say that ALL airlines need to raise prices. Usually you will see an airline cut fares, and the others follow. They all need to agree to raise prices in unison, or as said, re-regulate the industry.
The example of JFK-MCO is a good example of air vs. car, most families headed to Disney will either drive or fly.

dojetdriver

Actually, those aren't Jason Bourne's words. He stole them from "The Professor" when he killed him.