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Old 03-15-2010, 08:37 PM
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Eagle is what you make of it. There are ways to take advantage of the system if you want to. If you live in base being on the bottom of the reserve list can still be managable. Unlike most places reserves can pick up open time. So you can drop two days of reserve and then turn around and pick up a 7-8 hour day trip on one of the days you dropped. On reserve you make 3:54 per day so if you drop two days and pick up a trip worth 7:48 you get one more day off and don't lose any pay. Do that four times a month and you have gone up to 15 days off, converted 4 days that you were on reserve to a schedule you know about in advance and are left with 11 days of reserve. Some guys who live on sabre have been known to trade drop and pickup to the point where they basically made their own line, and these were guys on the bottom third of the reserve list.

When profering for trips the trick is to get a trip with an 8 hour flying day on the last day or a late return on the last day. Profering for a trip that ends at 7 or 8 in the morning is asking to get extended. Profering for a trip that gets done late or has 3-5 legs the last day will more than likely have you getting released once you are finished. If you live locally and want to just do turns DO NOT proffer for a 10:00am MKE turn out of ORD. I know someone who did that and that turn became a 5 day trip.

Also don't forget if you are extended over and over and get Fatigued, Eagle has a no fault fatigue policy. You will not lose pay over calling in fatigued. I have called in 5 times and havn't lost a penny.
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:50 AM
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Eagle is what you make of it. There are ways to take advantage of the system if you want to. If you live in base being on the bottom of the reserve list can still be managable. Unlike most places reserves can pick up open time. So you can drop two days of reserve and then turn around and pick up a 7-8 hour day trip on one of the days you dropped. On reserve you make 3:54 per day so if you drop two days and pick up a trip worth 7:48 you get one more day off and don't lose any pay. Do that four times a month and you have gone up to 15 days off, converted 4 days that you were on reserve to a schedule you know about in advance and are left with 11 days of reserve. Some guys who live on sabre have been known to trade drop and pickup to the point where they basically made their own line, and these were guys on the bottom third of the reserve list.

When profering for trips the trick is to get a trip with an 8 hour flying day on the last day or a late return on the last day. Profering for a trip that ends at 7 or 8 in the morning is asking to get extended. Profering for a trip that gets done late or has 3-5 legs the last day will more than likely have you getting released once you are finished. If you live locally and want to just do turns DO NOT proffer for a 10:00am MKE turn out of ORD. I know someone who did that and that turn became a 5 day trip.

Also don't forget if you are extended over and over and get Fatigued, Eagle has a no fault fatigue policy. You will not lose pay over calling in fatigued. I have called in 5 times and havn't lost a penny.

Might want to check that. I've heard there are times when it's true, and times when it's not... I think it depends on how much you had already flown that day before getting FTG... at least that's how it used to work.
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Old 03-16-2010, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by shfo View Post
So you can drop two days of reserve and then turn around and pick up a 7-8 hour day trip on one of the days you dropped.

You may wanna check into this too. I really don't think you can pick up any flying on a RSV day you dropped. Tried that and the person I had for CS on that day said no.
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:05 AM
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The main problem with Eagle reserve was that the nigth before you started reserve you would know what RSV coverage you had until 3pm Pacific time. Since I commuted from SEA that made getting to base a Charlie Foxtrot. I guess that it really wasn't made for the commuter. Also, we were so short staffed that they would DH pilots from other bases to come in and do the flying while RSV in the base would sit and not get called. Good for people who lived in base but bad for commuters that wanted to fly instead of sleep on the crewroom couch.
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Old 03-16-2010, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
Might want to check that. I've heard there are times when it's true, and times when it's not... I think it depends on how much you had already flown that day before getting FTG... at least that's how it used to work.
If you are on reserve and you have already flown 3:54 that day you don't lose pay no matter what. If you are a line holder or haven't flown 3:54 on reserve you submit a fatigue debrief that is looked over by ALPA and the VP of flight ops. If it was the company's fault ie, reduced rest, loud hotel, 8 leg day, 14 hour duty day, bunch of mx delays etc. you will have it restored.


You may wanna check into this too. I really don't think you can pick up any flying on a RSV day you dropped. Tried that and the person I had for CS on that day said no
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Depends on the base, aircraft, seat, staffing and scheduler. At the begining of the month they approve drops based on a staffing number, they then usually block all the open time. As the month goes on and the staffing goes down they'll unblock usually only a couple of days before the sequence is to begin. If staffing is really tight they will let you pick it up. Seen it many times. It's a gamble but it can pay off.
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Old 03-16-2010, 09:51 AM
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Last year I remember sitting reserve and not flying at all because CS was deadheading in DFW and ORD crews to do our flying and this way the numbers in NY looked better i.e. adequate staffing. I would see a 3 day open up and then watch a DFW crew come in and CS's logic was that they needed for AM standby the next day blah blah blah. For awhile some guys in ORD would drop their entire month and pick up OT around the system. Again taking flying away from guys in their base. I don't care what the system allows you to do or what your seniority allows you to do it was garbage. Eventually they blocked OT and stopped approving guys who requested to drop an entire month.
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And then there is the DH from SJU to cover an over nite in a DFW outstation - lots of "middle seat" time.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:41 PM
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And then there is the DH from SJU to cover an over nite in a DFW outstation - lots of "middle seat" time.
That is painful. Damn!
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by withthatsaid182 View Post
Last year I remember sitting reserve and not flying at all because CS was deadheading in DFW and ORD crews to do our flying and this way the numbers in NY looked better i.e. adequate staffing. I would see a 3 day open up and then watch a DFW crew come in and CS's logic was that they needed for AM standby the next day blah blah blah. For awhile some guys in ORD would drop their entire month and pick up OT around the system. Again taking flying away from guys in their base. I don't care what the system allows you to do or what your seniority allows you to do it was garbage. Eventually they blocked OT and stopped approving guys who requested to drop an entire month.

What the heck happened to your contract? They never used to be able to do this. They had to use in base reserves before bringing in guys from other bases. Matter of fact, when you went back through the base if they then had in-base reserves, they had to replace you and send you back to your base....When did you guys lose this and what did you get for it?

and when did they start blocking open time? is that what it sounds like, a line holder, or RSV, can't pick up a trip that is open? What did you guys get for that one? That's HUGE... it lets them fly their reserves and avoid paying overtime premium, unless they think they'll need to. Wow, things have gotten bad.

Can you guys still turn down certain reassignments under the JIC? or did that get lost too?

Next you'll see Eagle copying mainline and trying to open codomiciles....
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:09 PM
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What the heck happened to your contract?
It's the same 1997 contract plus four no strike/no lockout, 5 item arbitration choice amendment rounds. The best part of it was a minimum pay raise which prevented us from taking a pay cut. If the rest of the industry hadn't sunk so far down, we'd be at the bottom instead of floating around the middle.

What's really funny is how many of our post-1997 hire pilots think it's not such a bad contract. They are going to get an education when we have our first Section Six contract negotiations in 2013. Unfortunately, unless they plan on going back to their floor manager job at JCPenney, most of them will still be here.
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