Splitting hairs....

 

I just finished IOE and when I look at my HI1, I see "MD" for three days. Those are my move days, but then I see "24" for two days before I start reserve. Does this mean the same thing as "DO" (day off)? What does "24" mean?

 

Not really; If an AE FNG gets hired today and lets say, AA is hiring now, AE FNG will be years jr to those AA pilots that got hired today. Huge difference.

 

24 is off duty.

 

The hiring agreement (10/11/11) isn't worth the paper it's printed on. It has all kinds of language to allow AMR to back out of it at any time. I'd be surprised if ANY AE pilot included in that agreement EVER actually makes it to AA.

 

If I had a crayon, I'd draw you a picture.

What I mean is if an AE FNG gets hired, he gets in line(#) and gets an opportunity to flow if it ever gets to that point. No, he's not a set "number" of seniority, just gets an opportunity and starts at the bottom at AA.

You're getting way too specific with the lingo. Technically you are getting a number at AE but it doesn't mean anything more than when you get a phone call. Capiche?

 

He's not getting "specific," he was setting you straight. What you've talked about are two complete different things.

Having a number means you're actually on the AA seniority list, which means you always will be on that seniority list regardless of what happens to AE. That is NOT what a new hire today is getting. Think of it as, a new hire today will have an opportunity for an AA number YEARS and YEARS down the line. But there are also MANY things that could happen between now and then that could result in a newhire AE pilot today not having the opportunity to transfer in the future.

You corrected it in your latest post, but what you said earlier was beyond misleading.

 

I am one of those "FNG"s and I am thrilled about this opportunity for AE pilots to move up to AA. Not because I think it will allow me one day to jump right up to AA automatically - but because its going to cause movement here and help those "top heavy" captains move onto something bigger and better. What it means to me is that I'll get off reserve that much quicker, maybe even captain upgrade instead of 10 years, maybe 5 or 4 (even 3???) years. Do I think it will ever cause me to move directly to AA after spending 10-15 years at eagle? Probably not. But if there is one thing I've heard from such tenured people is they didn't think they would be here after that long of time either. So we shall see. In the short run, I am happy that it will cause some movement. Even 20-30 captains moving over is that much closer for me to holding a line, or getting weekends. All the while it helps the people who have put in their time finally get over to the heavy metal. Wins for both the top and bottom of the ladder.

 

Ahh the "get out of my seat" captain so I can upgrade mentality. The reason those "top" heavy CA's stayed at AE is for many reasons. Money,(yes we can make $100K+ flying a 50-70 seater with "weekends") QOL, etc. vs "flowing to AA making 30K first yr commuting on reserve. After the "divestiture"announcement, yes some of them will go. The forecast doesnt look shiney here in the next 4-5 yrs....

 

Setting me straight?

He thought it was misleading because he came to the conclusion that I meant you get a seniority number. I meant when you're number is up at Eagle, you can go.

I never said anything about seniority.