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07-22-2006 | 02:31 PM
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Balance
Originally Posted by shackone
What I'm after is a sense of balance in these posts.
You have shown little. All I see from you is someone with a bad case of 'misery loves company'.
Not everyone in life is going to succeed. Your attempt at aviation is proof of that if we are to believe your posts. But your experience is not the norm. Why you ended up the way you did is not really important. Bad choices, bad performance, bad attitude...who knows...or at this point cares.
The most that I can say for you is that you speak for yourself only. Your experience is not a barometer for this industry. It is only one person's take.
Every day that I got to work is proof positive that your malaise is yours alone. This afternoon I gave a type and PC to a new crew that nothing in common with your point of view. They like their job, and they are happy with their future. They put out the effort to get somewhere, and they succeeded.
In my military career (USAF fighters) and in my airline career (TWA), I saw folks with your defeatist attitude. People who gave up. People who when the wind blew strong in their faces, turned their backs. Such is life. There will always be those that won't rise to the occasion and who blame the system for their own shortcomings.
My advice to the young troops has always been to give life a go. Reach for that golden ring...if one doesn't make it, then at least he won't be part of the craven few who turn away from the wind.
Is an airline career unpredictable? You bet. My new hire classmates at TWA can tell you a thing or two about that. As can many more now from other companies. But we didn't give up. And we certainly don't blame the system.
As for your 'war stories'...you can keep them to yourself. I've got real ones to remember. I don't need your wannabe stories.
You have shown little. All I see from you is someone with a bad case of 'misery loves company'.
Not everyone in life is going to succeed. Your attempt at aviation is proof of that if we are to believe your posts. But your experience is not the norm. Why you ended up the way you did is not really important. Bad choices, bad performance, bad attitude...who knows...or at this point cares.
The most that I can say for you is that you speak for yourself only. Your experience is not a barometer for this industry. It is only one person's take.
Every day that I got to work is proof positive that your malaise is yours alone. This afternoon I gave a type and PC to a new crew that nothing in common with your point of view. They like their job, and they are happy with their future. They put out the effort to get somewhere, and they succeeded.
In my military career (USAF fighters) and in my airline career (TWA), I saw folks with your defeatist attitude. People who gave up. People who when the wind blew strong in their faces, turned their backs. Such is life. There will always be those that won't rise to the occasion and who blame the system for their own shortcomings.
My advice to the young troops has always been to give life a go. Reach for that golden ring...if one doesn't make it, then at least he won't be part of the craven few who turn away from the wind.
Is an airline career unpredictable? You bet. My new hire classmates at TWA can tell you a thing or two about that. As can many more now from other companies. But we didn't give up. And we certainly don't blame the system.
As for your 'war stories'...you can keep them to yourself. I've got real ones to remember. I don't need your wannabe stories.
Life isn't like a movie. There are real consequences for the choices that we make. Many airline wannabes come ill equipped to make good decisions in regards to an aviation career. They are given false information from the pilot mills, universities and self promotional pilots.
Most are not prepared to lay their entire lives down for a silly dream. They are trying to rationally compare a career as an airline pilot with everything else that is out there. Someone needs to provide some kind of "balance" to all the boy scout "you can do it" hype that is out there. Not everyone wants to be poor and abused for a living.
In spite of all the common sense your ex-coworkers were trying pass on to you obviously you choose to stick it out. That fact doesn't exactly make you a hero. Perhaps it means you are a martyr?
SkyHigh
Some people have a natural instinct for self preservation and it is expressed as dissatisfaction.
07-22-2006 | 05:57 PM
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I haven't checked in here in a couple of months, mainly due to the silly, self-aggrandizing babble of Skyhigh and his apologists.
You guys really think any pie-eyed wannabes are gonna pay the least bit of attention to your "truth-telling?" Oh, that's rich. Frankly, I think you're more delusional than the packs of salivating CFI's paying $50 to interview at Mesa.
I'd suggest you give it a rest, but I know for you it's not really about "truth-telling," it's simply about mean-spirited ball-busting and sour grapes that you made mistakes getting into a career you either didn't understand or were ill-suited for.
You guys really think any pie-eyed wannabes are gonna pay the least bit of attention to your "truth-telling?" Oh, that's rich. Frankly, I think you're more delusional than the packs of salivating CFI's paying $50 to interview at Mesa.
I'd suggest you give it a rest, but I know for you it's not really about "truth-telling," it's simply about mean-spirited ball-busting and sour grapes that you made mistakes getting into a career you either didn't understand or were ill-suited for.
07-22-2006 | 06:02 PM
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Thanks
Originally Posted by ReverseSensing
I haven't checked in here in a couple of months, mainly due to the silly, self-aggrandizing babble of Skyhigh and his apologists.
You guys really think any pie-eyed wannabes are gonna pay the least bit of attention to your "truth-telling?" Oh, that's rich. Frankly, I think you're more delusional than the packs of salivating CFI's paying $50 to interview at Mesa.
I'd suggest you give it a rest, but I know for you it's not really about "truth-telling," it's simply about mean-spirited ball-busting and sour grapes that you made mistakes getting into a career you either didn't understand or were ill-suited for.
You guys really think any pie-eyed wannabes are gonna pay the least bit of attention to your "truth-telling?" Oh, that's rich. Frankly, I think you're more delusional than the packs of salivating CFI's paying $50 to interview at Mesa.
I'd suggest you give it a rest, but I know for you it's not really about "truth-telling," it's simply about mean-spirited ball-busting and sour grapes that you made mistakes getting into a career you either didn't understand or were ill-suited for.
Thank you for your wholesome opinion. Enjoy that Dash 8. The world needs you.
SkyHigh
07-22-2006 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
LOL...The world needs us all...This way it has something to laugh about.
Sky, whats up? you have managed to really **** them off with not one but 2 threads. The rising emotions are becoming almost militant. Btother I do believe if they could they would call the firing squad on you. I havent read all the thread so Im not sure what you said to stir up the hornets nest, but wow. 2 threads on prime time,
I am impressed!!!
07-22-2006 | 09:47 PM
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Thanks
Thanks Guys !! 
And Gal..
SKyHigh
Tonight my family and I laid out on our deck for a while and looked at the stars. I got three Mosquito bites.
And Gal..SKyHigh
Tonight my family and I laid out on our deck for a while and looked at the stars. I got three Mosquito bites.
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07-23-2006 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Yea Captain America !
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Life isn't like a movie. There are real consequences for the choices that we make. Many airline wannabes come ill equipped to make good decisions in regards to an aviation career.
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Most are not prepared to lay their entire lives down for a silly dream.
Silly dream? That comment alone defines you. Is that how you excuse your own failures? Blame them away?
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Someone needs to provide some kind of "balance" to all the boy scout "you can do it" hype that is out there. Not everyone wants to be poor and abused for a living.
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
In spite of all the common sense your ex-coworkers were trying pass on to you obviously you choose to stick it out. That fact doesn't exactly make you a hero. Perhaps it means you are a martyr?
Anyway...for those who are still reading this for whatever worth it can provide.
SH has a point. Unfortunately, he abuses it. He has masked what may have been a positive message with an overlay of self-pity.
Here's my view from 39 years in the flying business.
Not everyone makes it. Not everyone should. Those that think that anyone can be a pilot are wrong. Too often dead wrong. Nor can or should every pilot end up in the cockpit of a commercial plane. Lastly, despite what many think, not every pilot is Captain material. When I read of newbies asking how long to upgrade, it makes me wince.
Right now, getting on with the majors is a long shot. There simply are just too many folks on furlough...and with things going like they are, it will be quite a while before these numbers are recalled. Yes, there are a few openings...and a few recalls...but the glory days of massive hiring are long gone for the foreseeable future.
As are the days of the quick passage through the regional holding pattern prior to getting hired at a major. If and when those days return, then things may get rosy again...but until then, folks need to make a nest as best as they can.
For some, that means the regionals. And that means low pay and long schedules. Too bad...but ever since the B Scale became the way of life for new hires, that's the way it is. Short term pain for long term gain.
The long term is still there...and with the introduction of the newer equipment such as the Embraer 170/190, that life holds greater professional promise and sense of achievement than before.
For those who want it, it's there to be had. But if money is your only goal, then go to med school.
07-23-2006 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by shackone
Just 'Captain' will do. Surely you remember that from your days jerking gear for others?
The long term is still there...and with the introduction of the newer equipment such as the Embraer 170/190, that life holds greater professional promise and sense of achievement than before.
For those who want it, it's there to be had. But if money is your only goal, then go to med school.
The long term is still there...and with the introduction of the newer equipment such as the Embraer 170/190, that life holds greater professional promise and sense of achievement than before.
For those who want it, it's there to be had. But if money is your only goal, then go to med school.
I would only add get an education........Save your money (spend wisely) and have a work on a back up plan for the "down times"!
07-23-2006 | 01:13 PM
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Shackone
On one is arguing most of what you are saying. My aim is not to deter the born to do it types. If someone wishes to blow a fortune to earn slightly better than mailman wages then have at it.
My goal is to bring to light how low the real return is and how unsavory the future is. Most people don't want to be poor. They dream of having a family and of living a life with their families, homes and what most would consider a normal life. I understand that some people are hell bent on throwing everything they have into the cause and that is great. (Someone has to do it.) I am trying to reach the mislead future whiners who falsely think that aviation is like most other professions when it is not.
So go ahead and throw your life away but please don't take others with you.
In conclusion I agree that there will be more opportunities in the future than ever before but mostly because no one will want the job anymore. Enjoy that sim !!
SKyHigh
My goal is to bring to light how low the real return is and how unsavory the future is. Most people don't want to be poor. They dream of having a family and of living a life with their families, homes and what most would consider a normal life. I understand that some people are hell bent on throwing everything they have into the cause and that is great. (Someone has to do it.) I am trying to reach the mislead future whiners who falsely think that aviation is like most other professions when it is not.
So go ahead and throw your life away but please don't take others with you.
In conclusion I agree that there will be more opportunities in the future than ever before but mostly because no one will want the job anymore. Enjoy that sim !!
SKyHigh
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