And there you have the basis for SkyHighs attacks on airline pilots. He would appear to have a chip on his shoulder because of some undefined lack of humility or respect.

SkyHigh, the only lack of respect I see on this forum comes from you when you make statements like this
Hey Skyhigh, you were doing well with keeping to your "save the newbies" strategy. Why can't you just stick to that message instead of letting your bad attitude toward current airline pilots rise to the surface?

 

LOL! That's a good idea.

Thinking about it, I need to come up with a scheme (some kind of service) where I can ALSO cash in on the folks that want to be pilots. There are enough of them out there, so why not join in the fun and money and take advantage of that.

Let's see......counseling service, app service, propaganda service (geared toward the industry/airlines)..... where to begin?

 

SkyBolt,

Again I would like to mention that lack of a humble and respectful attitude of major airline pilots contributes to the myths of aviation. Ego bloated airline captains are often invited to speak at colleges or to write for aviation publications. The last time most of them had to look for a job was during the Regan administration. Yet there they are spreading outdated and misinformation. Famous captain quotes "aviation has been good to me" and "all you have to do is to try hard enough". It serves my aim a great deal to bring down the antiquated image of the accomplished airline pilot. A more accurate description would be that they were in the right place at the right time or daddy got them a job.

As far as the "natural skills" statement you and I must disagree. You never did answer my question from another thread about your background. In the post I wondered if perhaps you never have had a real flying job before since you seem to think that flying for the airlines is so difficult. Most of the time your hands are in your lap except for the occasional knob twist or button push. It also serves my goals to shatter the idea that only the "elite" can fly for the airlines. Quite the opposite I am afraid.

SKyHigh

 

A 777 CA for UAL I know told me all it takes to get a job at the majors is a clean record, a 1st class medical, and a lot of money to pay for the training needed (PFT, ME time, type ratings, whatever the next step in the ladder requires...)...The only reason he made it is because his parents had money and his wife is a doctor and they could afford for him to indulge in his hobby. He said it himself - after leaving the Air Force , flying is / was nothing more than a hobby for him...

-LAFF

 

So skyhigh, bottom line it for me please and perhaps for the rest of us. If you had your way, your wish, a magic wand, whatever, what exactly would you like to see happen as far as the airline pilot profession goes? I guess I’m just trying to see what exactly you are after. Do you want there to be no pilots at all and create a huge shortage so the industry can suffer for furloughing you and many others, or are you simply trying to tell future pilots not to take out 70k to 100k or more in debt to pay for training, or perhaps BOTH?? Also, if you are not trying to convince people to stay away from this profession, what exactly would be your personal criteria of someone who meets the standards to fly professionally? What kind of requirements should they meet? (I am not talking about flight hours either). There is really no hard feelings at all from me with this post, please understand that. I think this forum needs you to show newbies, including me, the “other side” of the profession. However, I would really like an answer from you. So please once again, respectively, bottom line it for me…

 

SkyHigh,

Thank you for making your opionions shouted out with no regards to what people think. Thanks for sticking with them!

I am a juniour guy just starting applying with the regionals. Unfortunately I am still 'hooked' on the dream. I've grown up with airlines my whole life as both my parents used to work for'em (not as pilots/fa's...).

I cannot stress how right you are and thank you for offering first hand dirt while everybody else is busy sugar coating what it really is like. I guess what it boils down to at the end of the day is our own personal decision whether we're willing to put up with the **** or not which seems to be the deciding factor of staying or not staying (alot like V1..... our personal V1 or maybe our personal MEL when they have exhausted every system of ours and we're rendered mentally unable to continue).

Again, i'm just a young guy still hooked on a dream but already having my dreams being blown in my face by their lack of attentivness and total brick wall attitude. Where have we gone wrong to get to a point where they need us but it's up to them to 'extend an invitation' and charge $50 bucks for an interview..... shame. (and no I have not went thru the Mesa ordeal just yet.... but am amazed by their nerves)

Saluting you for offering your opinion, just wish more people would take it less personally and a little more professionaly and maybe , just maybe then we'll be able to start doing someting for our own good instead of forming unions that don't do jack **** and maybe start taking affirmitive action for ourselves without the mask of corporate meetings that lead nowhere.

Saluting!

-schone

 

As one of those bright-eyed pilot wannabes that SkyHigh is "looking out for," I'm glad he does what he's doing. The more pilots he manages to scare off, the less competition for me

 

Thats hilarious

 

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

When was the last time you experienced a direct interaction with an airline pilot? BTW, nice job in adding the major to this post; usually you just trash all airline pilots. Now that I've called you out, you're starting to narrow down your target. Getting back to the subject, I interact with airline pilots on a daily basis. Specifically, I'm talking about legacy carrier pilots (AA, CO, NW, DL), major LCC pilots (WN), LCC pilots (B6, F9, NK) and all sorts of regional commuter pilots. The only pilots I meet with any sort of ego problem are the ones who bought a job from Gulfstream. I commute and have ridden 1W numerous times in the last year (since CASS) and I can tell you, and the others reading this thread (my intended audience) that my FIRST HAND experience as an offline LCC Captain begging for a ride from legacy carriers includes absolutely ZERO incidents of any major/legacy pilot showing any attitude other than a resolute desire to make the best of the current situation. No whining, No crying, No blaming others, No overinflated egos. That my friends is FIRST HAND and CURRENT experience from a current airline pilot. Not some whining from some one who used to be in the industry.

We all know that certain airline pilots (read this Kit Darby) are pilot pimps. No argument here, I can't stand the dude or any of his pilot pimp friends. FAPA/AirInc never has gotten a penny of my money and never will. But the words you have written on this forum haven't been directed at the honesty or ethics of airlines pilots who happen to own pilot employement services, your words are generally directed towards "airline" pilots. I am one, and I don't appreciate your continued attempts to question the skills, etc of my and my fellow pilots.



Then you need to attack the "antiquated image" not the honor and abilities of the vast majority of those of us who strive to be professional in our job.

I must have missed the notice that requires me to tell you who I am.

I don't remember ever saying that airline flying was either difficult, or easy for that matter. I've searched out your specific words and put them on exhibition for all to judge. Please grant me the same respect and stop attempting to put words/concepts in my mouth.

You may have enjoyed the ability to watch a modern Boeing autoflight system fly your 757. As for me, I entered the big airplane world in the right seat of a DC9. I'll put my difficult flying experiences/skills up against yours any time.

A note to my readers: Please be reminded that I do not attempt to undercut SkyHigh's message about the difficulties facing todays airline pilot. My point is purely to defend those of us who actually do the job. Yes, being an airline Captain isn't the hardest job on the planet, but that cannot be logically extended to the conclusion that all airline pilots are egomaniacs with no natural skill as SkyHight would have one believe.