Wrong!

TSA has no problems having another certificate for 70 seat flying. If the flying was given to TSA from the start. Gayjet already hired street captains and Fo's (around 100) before they even offered TSA the flying.

And Yes TSA turned it down b/c the contract was a slap in the face and worse than MESA's. Plus TSA pilots would have no furlough protection but the Gayjet a$sh0les will... what the f*ck is that. And then who do you think will be stapled to the bottom of the senority list???? Do I even have to answer this...

The union stepped in and the TSA pilots fought for the flying, and then the company offered the sh$tty contract.

No, Gayjet was created:

- To work their as$wipe pilot with no contract/work rules (no block or better, 6 days on and overnite at an outstation. work another 6, etc) for the next 2 or 3 years, as the company drags the negotiation out. Don't believe those idiots who say it won't take that long. TSA's contract negotiation is going nowhere right now... Once they get a contract. I guarantee it will be worse then MESA's.
- Underbid all the united (Skywest, SHuttle, MESA) and other codeshare flying.
- Get rid of senior TSA pilots (2-15 years of service) and hire backstabbers (off the street) for less operational cost. I say 2-15 years of service, b/c anyone who has been at TSA for 1 year or less have been furloughed.

Stop coming up with lame excuses for those bastards...

 

I agree that TSA pilots used poor judgement turning down the chance to fly GoJet aircraft. They chose a poor time to pick thier fight, not saying they were wrong on the issue, they picked the wrong time for the fight. Having said that, I have heard a number of varying issues regarding thier contract. what "sacrifies" would they have had to made. At this point GoJet should unionize ASAP (It's my understanding they are going to join the Teamsters). But it's also true that TSA wanted to get into the 70 seat market and the scope clause prevented it.

 

Subin30, where do you get your info? I think you have it wrong. American will not allow TSA to fly 70 seaters. TSA could get a contract from Air Asia for 70 seaters and American's scope will not allow it. I believe Eagle is the only outfit that can do so.

Please supply info that can back up your statement.

 

I know it was the AA scope that wouldn't allow the 70 seat flying. Thats not my point. Gayjet was formed to get around that. Which is fine, nothing wrong there... then give the trans states pilot the opportunity to fly them with a decent contract.

But gayjet hired street captains and fo's (around 100 at the time, now around 150) to undercut trans states pilots. The flying was never offered to Trans states pilots until the union and pilot group fought for it. Trust me you wouldn't vote yes to that contract. Make one senority list and keep two seperate certificates. Do you see my point?

Shuttle/Republic certificate allows 70 seat flying, but CHQ doesn't. They are one company one pilot senority list. CHQ pilots can fly for Shuttle/Republic if their senority holds.

How would you feel if your company got some more flying and then say "F*Ck you, we'll just hire new pilots for that!" We'll just furlough you (60 and counting).

 

How do the Eagle pilots feel about the other Regionals flying in their system?...Just curious if this is the same situation with TSA and GoJets.

 

Although I can't speak for a eagle pilot. But I think it may be a bit different b/c tsa and gayjet is the same company. if eagle feels the same towards tsa and chq. ill have to respect that...

 

Well then, I suppose we agree. However, I think that you mispelled GoJet.

 

I see your point. One senority list for the two certificates. I am sure there are plenty of reasons they did not do that. Chances are that the reasons were not looking out for TSA pilots. I heard that they did offer it to TSA guys first. The soon to be furloughed guys want to jump over now. Again, I hear this stuff from a third party, so I can not validate this info.

 

None of which are valid or ethical.

Bingo!

They didn't offer GJ flying to the TSA pilot group via ALPA, they offered it to each individual pilot in the form of a personalized postcard invitation.

Some of the furloughed TSA pilots have gone to GJ, but the vast majority have not. None of my furloughed friends (numbering about 10 right now...) have made that move, and infact some went back to flight instructing rather than work for an alter-ego.

 

I can't believe people get on here and post and don't even know what they're talking about. Anyone that doesn't know for a personal fact what went down with GoJets doesn't deserve to spout off nonsense on here. Unreal.

First of all, the TSA contract clearly spells out what the company is supposed to do if they want to create a separate company to fly bigger equipment...namely, create one pilot list and pay industry average for that size of equipment. Everything else stays the same, even though it's two different companies.

Hulas and friends screwed us from day one. They violated that contract faster than a drunk prom date. They didn't set up one list, they didn't pay industry average, and they in fact left us out of it completely. The union sat down to "negotiate" with them, which was fascinating since the company already had blown off what they were supposed to do. Management made a couple final offers, one of which the pilots voted on. There were a lot of bad feelings around because of what the company had done to get to that point, especially given the fact that United gave TSA the flying because we TSA pilots had done such a great job for them. So it was voted down. I personally would have liked to have seen it voted in. But I can understand people's feelings on it.

So that's what really happened. If you're confused on that, why don't you actually ask someone that works at Trans States (like me) instead of just making stuff up.