Thank you dontsurf for setting these people straight. It seems that people will make crap up to try and justify what they are doing, so they can try and walk around without having to look at their feet in the terminal! You guys are bringing the entire airline industry down doing this flying. How can you try and rationalize it by saying 'they picked the wrong time to fight'?? Are you simple? This is THE time to fight it. Flying 70 seat airplanes for crap pay and work rules, yeah...good choice! And saying you're doing it for the quick upgrade so you can move on. . .well lets see you'll fly a 70 seat airplane for crap, so what now, move to a mainline carrier and fly a 737 for $20/hr?? Whats the point?

There are plenty of other regionals hiring, you didn't HAVE to go to Hojets, you CHOOSE to go to Hojets...KNOWING what happened between TSA and its management. If you can't understand why other pilots don't like you...well, good luck.

I really hope that TSA people are not going to Hojets. That is unbelievable if its true.

Lastly, I don't think that you can compare multiple regionals serving one mainline and this situation. Multiple regionals can work together fine. They just have to do what they can to keep from being used to whipsaw against each other. Look at before United went into bankruptcy, Skywest, AWAC, and ACA all flew together and everything was fine. AWAC and ACA choose not to lower the bar when it came their way. . .did it work out perfectly for them? Not really, but at least they choose to fight.

 

Hey G-Dog, off topic but weren't you the one flying for EVA?

 

I do.

No it doesn't. You may think it does but unless you practice law, you may miss its vagueness.

Of course he did, and I'm sure you have given 100% to that company since day one and deserve your salary delivered in cash on a silver platter.

Neither does TSA but that requisite obviously isn't important enough to keep you away.

You are right! TSA pilots did vote it down.

I didn't make anything up. I never argued whether or not you got a raw deal. I simply corrected the rhetoric that GoJet was created to screw TSA pilots. Again, this is not the case. TSA pilots may or may not have been screwed but GoJet was created for access to the 70-seat market.

 

Well Flyer00, this is a wonderful opportunity for you to save the industry. Since you are an expert at what everyone should be paid for a particular size aircraft, please present this forum with your research. How about posting a list of passenger capacity categories along with the appropriate pay. This will allow us all to make an easy decision about where we should and should not work. I'll be eager to make a life decision based on what you think I'm worth.

 

how could you say TSA pilots may not have been screwed by Gayjet? TSA is furloughing b/c of them. Wait a few more months. All of TSA's United flying will be taken by Gayjet. Give it another 2-3 years, I don't thinkg TSA will be around.

TSA pilots will be on the streets or they will be given a gayjet position and be stapled to the bottom. This works great for Hulas. Why pay 5-15 year captains when you can pay 1-2 year captains.

You think Teamsters is gonna get them a nice contract with industry average pay. I think Not!

 

TSA is furloughing, or at least they were furloughing. They have cancelled the August group. They furloughed for a couple of reasons.

1. Pilots are being displaced from the J41. None of the J41's were United flying.

2. TSA lost San Antonio flying because it was a pay per passenger contract with United as opposed to pay per departure. Because of the loss of routes, they have had to park some airplanes. The San Antonio flying for TSA was a completely different route structure than GoJet's San Antonio flying.

If United wants 70-seaters on their routes instead of 50-seaters, then that is what they are going to get, with or without Trans States Holdings. Yes, in the future, there may be routes taken from TSA and given to GoJet. Unfortunately, TSA pilots should have forseen this and signed on with GoJet. I'm not saying it was a good deal, but I think it would have been better than the alternative.

 

so hifly where is your list? I'm curious what you think you are worth? I'm betting you don't have the guts to post what you think pay should be for different size airplanes.

 

First of all, throwing my statement back at me doesn't make a very good point. This is a very weak way to debate.

Person A "Can you define prestidigitation?"

Person B "Oh yeah, can you define prestidigitation? Ooooh, zing!"

Second of all, my point was just that. I can't, nor can anyone else, make a list like that. Each individual has to decide for him or herself whether or not a particular salary is worth it or not. It is ludicrous to go around telling someone if they are getting paid crap or not.

 

first off I did make a good point because I called you out and I was right. Your are chicken to let everyone know what you really think.

second I'm not asking what the industry should decide (we already know by the current rates out their) I'm asking what you have decided. As you put it and I quote "Each individual has to decide for him or herself whether or not a particular salary is worth it or not." So what's you worth? It's a simple question with a simple answer.

 

Good point Heavy. These TSA folks never seem to respond to questions like that.

Bunch of hypocrites in my opinion.