Beagle Pilot

Thanks for the info. While this may sway some of the FTs, many already commute from older, but now closed domiciles such as BNA and RDU so switching commute destinations isn't a big deal. Furthermore, some of those guys have been dying to get to AA for a decade. They'd go even if amputating a finger or two was required. Not me, of course. I don't need to fly a big shiny jet to feel good about my airline career.
Non sequitur. What does an arbitration ruling have to do with an expired LOA? The APA had the opportunity to "do what is right" for their own people by entering into negotiations to renew Letter 3. They declined.

The APA had the opportunity to stick with a negotiated solution to Letter 3/Supplement W issues. They walked out. True, the company torpedo about scope put a damper on the talks, but a complete walk out wasn't required. APA didn't like the agreement to begin with so it just gave them an excuse to dump the entire thing. If you want to blame someone for the expiration of Supplement W, please talk to the people at this address.

Blaming Eagle for the actions of the APA is as silly as me blaming APA for the actions of my union to force the flow through. It isn't morally correct to blame one entity for the actions of another.

lavMan

I am happy nobody is forced into doing something they don't want to. Now can you AE pilots do what is right and allow any flowbacks still at AE, to fly Captain?[/QUOTE]

Ahh, no, and no. Primarily because of this lopsided agreement. Kind of funny when AA furloughed, all of the furloughed guys got into the left seat at Eagle just as fast as our own could get tossed out? But when our flow-thru pilots were supposed to go over when they were hiring, oh no, we can't do that. Kind of funny how this business kind of sucks sometimes, huh?

Sliceback

Ahh, no, and no. Primarily because of this lopsided agreement. Kind of funny when AA furloughed, all of the furloughed guys got into the left seat at Eagle just as fast as our own could get tossed out? But when our flow-thru pilots were supposed to go over when they were hiring, oh no, we can't do that. Kind of funny how this business kind of sucks sometimes, huh?[/quote]

When was this? Was it grieved? What was the decision?

lsl80

lavman,

You are correct, this business has sucked for awhile. It looks like you will benefit from the 35 pilots going to AA in June. It sucks a little less for you this time than for ANY furloughed pilot.

Beagle,

Thanks for the explanation on why the flowbacks are f/os now. I was not attempting to blame anyone.

SkyHighHobo

Just taking a pragmatic approach to what I think is a stupid statement.

Run from having to explain if you wish..........

What makes guys like you so deserving?

(standing by for your next dodge oh master of what, 4 or 5 usernames in the Eagle longe?)

Beagle Pilot

Sorry if I was brusque in my explanation. Sometimes I forget that not everyone is a APA/TWA troll who doesn't really know or have access to the information on the history of Letter 3/Supplement W.

Back to the Flow Backs; they were treated exactly like Eagle pilots. Their displacement wasn't automatic. Once Letter 3 expired, they kept their seats despite some protests from our First Officers. It was only when Eagle had a major system-wide displacement bid that the FB's were put into the position of bidding what they could hold. Since their Eagle seniority began when they initially flowed back and since Eagle time-to-Captain is about 10 years, many were displaced to the right seat per their Eagle seniority.

While I think this was fair, some APA pilots do not since they think APA pilots are automatically superior to any Eagle pilot and, therefore, those "Eagle pilots" should have kept their seats.Your trollish behavior is obvious and, since you think you know so much, then you must also know that what Letter 3 says. They deserve this because that was what the letter states and intended.

Iowa Farm Boy

Certainly. When their seniority can hold it, just like the rest of us...

bailee atr

Amen brother !!! They are getting close to holding t-prop captain soon.

Jinrai Butai

I thought American pilots were afraid to fly t-props because they're too dangerous.

Beagle Pilot

Doesn´t this make them eligible for the 824?