UA/CO merger effect on regionals
05-12-2010 | 03:18 AM
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What evidence can you provide to support this claim. I honestly believe that if it were cheaper to do it in house it would never have been outsourced.
05-12-2010 | 08:31 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Anyways, for CAL, the IPO wasn't only about doing it cheaper in house. They sold millions of shares of XJT at $15 a share and made a killing while also writing a CPA on XJT's behalf that supposedly created an independent company yet had many strings to restrict what XJT could do and also provided means for lowering the cost of the CPA while holding them hostage if they didn't. And it all happened exactly as planned.
CAL made millions, the other 49% they owned, the slowly sold off to fund their employee pension fund, and they got a XJT to operate so cheap that unless block hours increase, the company loses money.
05-20-2010 | 08:01 AM
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Slaphappy, I see you are back since the flaming you took on this thread. But I also noticed you still havent replied to any of the responses you got from your last post. I'm particularly interested in the reply to this. Please do so, I look forward to your insight.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Thanks in part to SKW.
Originally Posted by Nevets
The SKW deal: Close down branded and DAL prorate agreement - was bound to happen anyways; Close down charter; Transfer the 10 a/c CPA to SKW airlines; Transfer 25 a/c to Skywest airlines for a CPA with CAL; Fourlough 700 pilots (we furloughed less than half of that); Take a 16% paycut to include PBS, getting rid of our defined contribution retirement plan, and other work rule changes equal to 4% paycut in the future after they had a chance to study our contract ("to bring us down to parity with SKW pilots"); Maintain seperate operations with seperate seniority lists without the ability to bid over with a/c in case they were transferee over to ASA or SKW (same clause SKW and ASA pilots have in the ASA contract); negotiate rates for Q400s. What they offered: 15 yr CPA for 205 a/c that was going to be up to bid in 12 months; inclusion in the SKW profit sharing and performance bonus plans; preferential (not guaranteed) interviews for furloughed pilots (to fly the same a/c and routes they are currently flying but at the bottom of a non-union seniority list at first yr SKW pay).
Originally Posted by Slaphappy
That and CAL has made it their mission to screw expressjet at every turn and now that CAL management is taking over UAL I don’t see that changing.
Thanks in part to SKW.
Originally Posted by Slaphappy
I hate to sound like a broken record but the XJT mec made a big mistake not making a deal with skywest and allowing the buyout 2 years ago. You guys would be in much better shape and have a much better future.
The SKW deal: Close down branded and DAL prorate agreement - was bound to happen anyways; Close down charter; Transfer the 10 a/c CPA to SKW airlines; Transfer 25 a/c to Skywest airlines for a CPA with CAL; Fourlough 700 pilots (we furloughed less than half of that); Take a 16% paycut to include PBS, getting rid of our defined contribution retirement plan, and other work rule changes equal to 4% paycut in the future after they had a chance to study our contract ("to bring us down to parity with SKW pilots"); Maintain seperate operations with seperate seniority lists without the ability to bid over with a/c in case they were transferee over to ASA or SKW (same clause SKW and ASA pilots have in the ASA contract); negotiate rates for Q400s. What they offered: 15 yr CPA for 205 a/c that was going to be up to bid in 12 months; inclusion in the SKW profit sharing and performance bonus plans; preferential (not guaranteed) interviews for furloughed pilots (to fly the same a/c and routes they are currently flying but at the bottom of a non-union seniority list at first yr SKW pay).
05-21-2010 | 05:41 AM
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05-21-2010 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
The SKW deal: Close down branded and DAL prorate agreement - was bound to happen anyways; Close down charter; Transfer the 10 a/c CPA to SKW airlines; Transfer 25 a/c to Skywest airlines for a CPA with CAL; Fourlough 700 pilots (we furloughed less than half of that); Take a 16% paycut to include PBS, getting rid of our defined contribution retirement plan, and other work rule changes equal to 4% paycut in the future after they had a chance to study our contract ("to bring us down to parity with SKW pilots"); Maintain seperate operations with seperate seniority lists without the ability to bid over with a/c in case they were transferee over to ASA or SKW (same clause SKW and ASA pilots have in the ASA contract); negotiate rates for Q400s. What they offered: 15 yr CPA for 205 a/c that was going to be up to bid in 12 months; inclusion in the SKW profit sharing and performance bonus plans; preferential (not guaranteed) interviews for furloughed pilots (to fly the same a/c and routes they are currently flying but at the bottom of a non-union seniority list at first yr SKW pay).
The SKW deal: Close down branded and DAL prorate agreement - was bound to happen anyways; Close down charter; Transfer the 10 a/c CPA to SKW airlines; Transfer 25 a/c to Skywest airlines for a CPA with CAL; Fourlough 700 pilots (we furloughed less than half of that); Take a 16% paycut to include PBS, getting rid of our defined contribution retirement plan, and other work rule changes equal to 4% paycut in the future after they had a chance to study our contract ("to bring us down to parity with SKW pilots"); Maintain seperate operations with seperate seniority lists without the ability to bid over with a/c in case they were transferee over to ASA or SKW (same clause SKW and ASA pilots have in the ASA contract); negotiate rates for Q400s. What they offered: 15 yr CPA for 205 a/c that was going to be up to bid in 12 months; inclusion in the SKW profit sharing and performance bonus plans; preferential (not guaranteed) interviews for furloughed pilots (to fly the same a/c and routes they are currently flying but at the bottom of a non-union seniority list at first yr SKW pay).
05-23-2010 | 06:12 PM
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I heard mesa was so desperate to get people during the hiring spree that we had a guy get his multi in the sim. Just a rumor, but I wouldnt be surprised since I flew with a bunch of 250hr guys... ...some great, some not so great.
Actual conversation between me and my first FO:
"Hey, how are you, my name is _____, just so you know, this is my first flight since I passed my fed ride yesterday."
"Cool! This is my first trip in a 200!"
Actual conversation between me and my first FO:
"Hey, how are you, my name is _____, just so you know, this is my first flight since I passed my fed ride yesterday."
"Cool! This is my first trip in a 200!"
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