USAir Regional Consolidation
05-31-2010 | 06:54 PM
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All I am saying is that PSA and PDT are wholly owneds which should entitle them over Mesa or AWAC. Just because Mesa is going down doesnt mean their pilots should get my job. Harsh I know, but it is the truth. I have already be furloughed once and believe we should get all the pilots from PDT and PSA back before we start picking up the people floating in the water.
05-31-2010 | 06:57 PM
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05-31-2010 | 09:29 PM
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That said I dont think anybody really expects a staple if a WO&Contract merger were to take place. Even with a bankrupt Mesa. The staple discussion is far-fetched and silly at best.
Speaking for myself I'd like to know why PDT mgmt is asking for further concessions from our pilot group while Mr. Kirby is not willing to operate a profitable airline. If I was a shareholder in Airways and I heard the whining about how difficult it is to run a profitable company, I'd demand a change in mgmt.
Heck, I'd do Kirby's job for half the price! That's right, I'm undercutting him folks!
USAirways: Hire me at HALF that Kirby's salary AND that $2m/yr consolidation will be done in a month.
Who want's Parker's job? LoL..
06-01-2010 | 04:16 AM
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Actually, my friend, it is kind of written that way...... Legal precedent being what it is in this country over the past 20-30 years has created an uneven playing field. Think of Ch. 11 bankruptcy protection. Most majors went Ch. 11 after 9/11 and totally shredded contracts. Managements walked away with millions in bonuses and compensation. Huge arbitrations went in favor of companies, etc.
There is very little that can be done right now. The courts are not labor friendly, to say the least. Neither has any administration in well over 20 years been even remotely labor friendly.
The best hope pilots have is the fact that there is something of period of lean pilot hiring (I am loathe to use the word 'shortage') coming over the next 5 years. Everyone knows pilot retirements will be large in number. And there are very few student pilots at the moment. The laws of supply and demand work here.
But to another subject, I can't believe someone said that 'divide and conquer' doesn't work. The situation we are currently in is exactly the result of 'divide and conquer'. Look at Comair. They were big and powerful. Then they struck. The regionals have never been the same since.
The case to watch right now is Spirit. Very, very, very important case for pilots all over the nation right now. They need all our support.
There is very little that can be done right now. The courts are not labor friendly, to say the least. Neither has any administration in well over 20 years been even remotely labor friendly.
The best hope pilots have is the fact that there is something of period of lean pilot hiring (I am loathe to use the word 'shortage') coming over the next 5 years. Everyone knows pilot retirements will be large in number. And there are very few student pilots at the moment. The laws of supply and demand work here.
But to another subject, I can't believe someone said that 'divide and conquer' doesn't work. The situation we are currently in is exactly the result of 'divide and conquer'. Look at Comair. They were big and powerful. Then they struck. The regionals have never been the same since.
The case to watch right now is Spirit. Very, very, very important case for pilots all over the nation right now. They need all our support.
I agree except for the "very little that can be done" part. Each of us individually has to keep the conversation going amongst our own pilot groups and educate the "newcomers". We can put pressure on our labor leaders to focus on the real issues affecting the industry and encourage them to concentrate on a two pronged attack: Reversing the scope relief at the majors and work on preventing the whipsaw and "undercutting" amongst the outsourced and b-scale airlines.
The Spirit pilots have the baton and are taking us all to school right now. Let's all support them in their struggle and do our small part to take control of the game. We can begin by stopping the self-pity, grovelling, and blaming, and instead, challenge each other to be a participant in the "race to the top".
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06-01-2010 | 05:15 AM
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Haha got news for you. They did not do that as a favor to Airways. If they had not and Airways went into Chap 11 both would have been lost in either Chap 7 or lost hours if they had emerged if not been pulled to save cost... Parker does not want the 50 seat jet and AWAC would have had to find work real fast or fold. Plus RAH would have had as hard of a time for those E145/170/175s with scope at UAL/DAL... So please do not kid yourself.
06-01-2010 | 05:35 AM
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Haha got news for you. They did not do that as a favor to Airways. If they had not and Airways went into Chap 11 both would have been lost in either Chap 7 or lost hours if they had emerged if not been pulled to save cost... Parker does not want the 50 seat jet and AWAC would have had to find work real fast or fold. Plus RAH would have had as hard of a time for those E145/170/175s with scope at UAL/DAL... So please do not kid yourself.
06-01-2010 | 05:46 AM
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I don't recall saying that they did it as a favor. Of course they didn't, it was a business decision which worked out very well for those two companies. I'm only trying to point out that these ideas of a staple work both ways. Nobody wants to be stapled when they are the one being acquired, but everybody yells for the stapler when it's the other way around. Being wholly owned doesn't exclude you from this. Don't kid yourself.
US Airways didn't need the 25million from AWAC last time but what CEO is going to turn it down? Then 5 years later that same CEO is complaining about too many 50 seater RJ's.
06-01-2010 | 05:48 AM
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I'm not a fan of the staple talk. SWAPA had to be smoking something when they proposed that with F9... But a company that goes Chapter 7 has no pilots, no mainline contracts, and simply no say... But neither does acquiring their assests mean you gain their flying... Hopefully if this happens the Mainline operators will regain the flying...
wild thought eh?
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