The Mesaba flow has very little scope implications. It will end. The Compass flow is a little more complicated. The fact that DALPA and Delta are negotiating tells me it will end too. If not, there would be no negotiating.

 

No not entirely true. 8 people got held back until November 2010 but they all received DAL seniority numbers. 1 Saab CA received August 16 class date. So in effect 9 Mesaba pilots flowed up.

 

I agree with you. If flowthru continues, Pinnacle pilots and Mesaba pilots should integrate immediately 1 for 1 based on seniority percentage and allow Pinnacle pilots to flowup as well. But I think what will happen is flowthru will end at the end of 2010 for everyone at Mesaba. Compass pilots, I am not sure but their flowthru I heard at the Mesaba HQ is that it will also end if it hasn't begun yet. That's why Compass was sold so cheap to TSA. This is what I heard from upstairs but not confirmed 100%.

 

Great post...

Many Pinnacle pilots would be much more supportive of a 1 for 1 percentage merge (and doing away with the 2 for 1 LOA) if we got something out of it like a flowthrough...

Unfortunately from everything I've seen coming from Corp., it still seems like they're going to try to asset transfer jets and staff with "preferential" new hires on year 1 9E seniority...

The only fact we know right now is that Mesaba and Colgan's certificates are mergine, and Mesaba and Colgan's lists will have to be merged b/c of that.

If the "new XJ" then integrates with 9E at a later date, you'll have Colgan senior pilots who might end up flowing before a 9E guy...

Another issue--what happens if we ever get a contract and get our long-awaited bonus checks? If our MEC trys to do a W2-based method again, you're going to have XJ pilots getting XJ longevity on 9E payscales...if we merge, you could set up for a situation where XJ pilots axe any TA that solely gives bonus money to 9E pilots....

What a CF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Pure speculation at this point as there are no hard facts. If that were to happen get ready for some fireworks.....

 

Its not speculation. It is what they WANT to do. Management wont care about all the fireworks or a ****ed off pilot group. The more people they get to quit on the mesaba certificate the less trouble it will be to get rid of that good contract and get everyone on a colgan/pinnacle contract. They are probably hoping the senior pilots will retire or quit. Now whether or not the mec's can stop them or work out a deal is another story. They have said more times than I can count that colgan and mesaba would merger and that alpa merger policy would dictate how that would happen. In the same sentence they say that pinnacle and mesaba will not merge. The jets moving over are going to be an asset transfer, nothing more. They think they are doing all the mesaba guys a favor by letting them come here as new hires but keep their longevity. Also allowing them to keep their seniorty for sli integration is not sli integration with pinnacle but with colgan. All they are doing is getting people off the mesaba conract and getting them on the pinnacle contract.

In fact the company wanted to take planes from us and move them to mesaba on a temporary basis to cover flying while the new hires are being trained. There would be nothing we could do about it if they did. Just like there is nothing mesaba can do if corp moves the planes to pinnacle. Unfortunately this is how the company wants this to go down and it will if they get their way. The only way it wont is if the MECs can get together and come up with a legal standing to force the company to merge us all.

 

Can you provide a source as to Mesaba pilots being offered year one seniority? We know the planes/assests are going to be transferred but I have not seen or heard anything official concerning seniority transfer or lack there of.

 

Wow this is turning into FI.com real quick. No facts, pure bs rumors that guys concoct on the line. Come one guys, 9E can't break the XJ contract and start them at year one. It's illegal. The company and the all the MEC's will be meeting soon. You will get your answers soon. All this spectulation is just that, pure speculation.

Give it a break

 

Our MEC agreed to hire the mesaba furloughs and allow them to come over here as seniority based new hires. For pay and benefits their longevity is going to be based on their longevity at mesaba prior to furlough. However when it comes to bidding and schedules they will all be treated as new hires. So if they had 2 years at mesaba they come over here as 2nd year pay on the pinnacle contract but as new hires as far as seniority.


Dont you guys get the same FAQ's that we get? What I posted is almost word for word what our company has stated in calls and in the memos they have posted. Im not starting anything. I am simply repeating what the company is saying. I am not making this stuff up.

 

I believe the post I was referring to initially was implying the pilots transferring with the jets would go back to year one seniority. We all understand the furlough situation and how that's being handled seniority wise, the past couple of posts were a little misleading.