Mesaba Flow?
07-28-2010 | 11:29 AM
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There is a dollar sign attached to everything in that contract, including the flow thru. 9E pilots did not have to pay that price, and therefore should not be included in it. Would it be a nice gesture? Of course, but is it fair and equitable, absolutely not. Not trying to be a jerk, but that is the reality of the situation.
There is a dollar sign attached to everything in that contract, including the flow thru. 9E pilots did not have to pay that price, and therefore should not be included in it. Would it be a nice gesture? Of course, but is it fair and equitable, absolutely not. Not trying to be a jerk, but that is the reality of the situation.
Wait. What? What did the XJ guys give up to get a flow through? If it's a flow down, then I would just expect that to go with the rest. In "not trying to be a jerk," you really are sounding like a "I got mine, but I'm not sharing" guy. To my knowledge, the flow was negotiated between DAL and XJ MECs, and the terms had guys flowing up and flowing down. What other "price" was paid?
07-28-2010 | 12:32 PM
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Funny how half the posts never include Colgan in the talks about merger/flow thru/contract. It's all jockeying for positions between Pinnacle and Mesaba. This must be a fair merger between three pilot groups. Let's not forget that!!
Back to the original premise of this thread. We haven't heard any news from the company or union as to the future of the flow thru. A second "Flow-thru bid notice" came out on July 23rd and will be awarded August 10th. I haven't moved 18 numbers in 2 years let alone 2 months. I hope it keeps going as long as possible.
Back to the original premise of this thread. We haven't heard any news from the company or union as to the future of the flow thru. A second "Flow-thru bid notice" came out on July 23rd and will be awarded August 10th. I haven't moved 18 numbers in 2 years let alone 2 months. I hope it keeps going as long as possible.
07-28-2010 | 01:55 PM
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Agreed. I don't think Colgan has popped up in this thread simply because they aren't a DCI carrier. Which tosses ANOTHER wrench into the issue.....
07-28-2010 | 05:02 PM
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with one list one contract, Colgan is the wild card in this situation. Pinnacle and Mesaba seniority lists are likely mirrored and would be fairly status quo. I'm waiting to see what equitable agreement can be reached with one seniority list when you include a relatively junior Colgan group.
07-28-2010 | 09:36 PM
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I know Mesaba's most senior pilots are probably more senior than Colgan's senior pilots, but isn't at least half their group as junior as the junior guys at Colgan? Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember something like they more than doubled in size starting 2007-ish when they got all those CRJs. That would make about the bottom half of the list '07 hires and beyond, is it?
07-29-2010 | 05:41 AM
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I know Mesaba's most senior pilots are probably more senior than Colgan's senior pilots, but isn't at least half their group as junior as the junior guys at Colgan? Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember something like they more than doubled in size starting 2007-ish when they got all those CRJs. That would make about the bottom half of the list '07 hires and beyond, is it?
PNCL Oct 06
Colgan Feb 07
Masaba Jun 07
If there is any significant fence, I doubt the middle and bottom third of each group we see much of a change.
Now, the top thirds ..... that could be a different story.
07-29-2010 | 02:27 PM
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It was a good deal. NWA could only flow down as many Mesaba guys that flowed up. No one could be pushed further down the list than the seniority they gained from the flow. If Delta furloughs right now, about 15 Delta guys can flow down to Mesaba.
If you feel that way, start pushing your MEC to end it. I'm sure DALPA will happily oblige.
If you feel that way, start pushing your MEC to end it. I'm sure DALPA will happily oblige.
07-29-2010 | 04:35 PM
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The only thing that was given up for the flow was the ability for XJ pilots to be hired at Northwest. For the short time the flow was working in 2008, Northwest would not even look at an XJ pilot. I would consider that to be giving up something.
As for pay, nope nothing. Pinnacle had every opportunity to attempt to get into a flow agreement if they wanted to.......i guess no one stepped up to get it done.
As for pay, nope nothing. Pinnacle had every opportunity to attempt to get into a flow agreement if they wanted to.......i guess no one stepped up to get it done.
07-30-2010 | 07:43 AM
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Actually, that WAS being worked on loosely after the Delta/NWA merger. However, Pinnacle isn't (and wasn't) wholly owned. Compass and XJ were the only wholly owned NWA regionals. I suspect that if 9E WERE wholly owned, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
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