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08-16-2010 | 06:55 AM

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I am a junior guy at ASA. A DOH integration would drop me 7% and put me below every furlough except 2. Like others have said its probably illegal to do a DOH, but if it DID happen I believe, and I feel most other junior guys would as well, all hell would break loose at ASA from the junior guys revolting

Ya I agree, DOH would probably benefit XJT as our newest hires are like 05/06 and most are 98-04. As for three way combo, larger airlines are more efficient by their very nature, so SKY staying out and ASA being run in Atlanta will probably hurt SKY. If you listened to the conference call it was all about re-fleeting XJT so I think that is were the jets are going to go once CAL pilot get paid off to give up their seat scope.

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08-16-2010 | 10:55 AM

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Ya I agree, DOH would probably benefit XJT as our newest hires are like 05/06

If talking about newhires/hire dates/hire dates, XJT has as of the last seniority 07/2007 hires actively flying, the rest are still on furlough. That'll be changing though with 48 additional recalls. However, all recall may not be junior to that person as there are some senior on bypass.

I have no freaking idea why people are getting so hung up on DOH. Unless BOTH sides agree to it, it CAN'T happen.

08-16-2010 | 10:58 AM

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If talking about newhires/hire dates/hire dates, XJT has as of the last seniority 07/2007 hires.

I have no freaking idea why people are getting so hung up on DOH. Unless BOTH sides agree to it, it CAN'T happen.

BINGO!! Some people seem to forget or ignore this. DOH ain't gonna happen folks. It'll most likely be a percentage method.

08-16-2010 | 11:53 AM

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BINGO!! Some people seem to forget or ignore this. DOH ain't gonna happen folks. It'll most likely be a percentage method.

I agree it is going to be a percentage with gates method, no one is going to get totally screwed, 1-3% each way. ALPA doesn't want DOH either, it would set a terrible precedent for them. The national guys are going to work hard to make this work so everyone can at least live with the list. We are going to be a big group in ALPA and nobody wants another US Airways, ALPA can't afford to lose another 5000 pilots. There is a combined DOH list posted on the Pipe in the cockpit section, really wasn't that bad from what I could see!

08-16-2010 | 12:03 PM

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They already have!! Eagle!!!

08-17-2010 | 06:42 AM

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We are going to be a big group in ALPA and nobody wants another US Airways, ALPA can't afford to lose another 5000 pilots. There is a combined DOH list posted on the Pipe in the cockpit section, really wasn't that bad from what I could see!

Speaking of which, is ALPA going to put the combined group in Group A or will they change the rules at this October's BOD to keep the regional trash out of the big boys cigar and scotch club? I suspect the later.

5000 pilots shorter indeed if that happens.

08-17-2010 | 06:43 AM

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And it seems to me that DOH might actually be the solution since it is give or take. Some ASA pilots prosper, some XJET pilots prosper. Relative seniority will be a cluster. Let the lawsuits begin if that happens.

08-17-2010 | 06:49 AM

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Relative seniority is the much more likely scenario. It's highely unlikely DOH will happen. Basically both of the respective NC's would have to sell out their pilot groups. DOH has way too much inconsistency throughout the group, and relative seniority keeps everyone within the same area on the new seniority list. Also, if the method is agreed upon by the NC's lawsuits are a waste of time and $$$. Just ask UsAir. If the NC's agree to a binding arbitration, everyone is stuck with the result, hence the binding part.

08-17-2010 | 08:34 AM

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Merge list's by DOH and us EV FO's will riot...

08-17-2010 | 09:12 AM

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Based on what? Precedent at legacy carriers? Regionals are a whole different ball game. You must consider time to upgrade, base choice and commuting. Most regional pilots still plan to move on. Most legacy carriers are at their destination. At the legacy, they can trade a number for long term career expectations. As a regional you're there for the short term and your number on the list determines when you can upgrade, get your pic time and move on. So it doesn't matter if your % stays the same if 300 pilots hired into the industry after you get to upgrade before you.

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Also, if the method is agreed upon by the NC's lawsuits are a waste of time and $$$. Just ask UsAir. If the NC's agree to a binding arbitration, everyone is stuck with the result, hence the binding part.

HOW'D THAT WORK OUT FOR US AIR AGAIN?!!!! Last I checked, they reversed Nic and won. Not to mention dumping ALPO. Duh.