ASA FOs would be screwed by relative % too. Think about how it will extend their upgrade time.

But if they want to riot they're welcome to. What will they do, refuse the airplanes? Go on a write up campaign? Lol...

 

[edit:delete flamebait / insult] First of all it doesn't matter what you or I want. It's called ALPA merger policy, you don't get to chose the method, you vote on the result, and if that doesn't work then an arbitrator will determine the outcome using....that's right you said it....ALPA merger policy, which post US-AWA fiasco, now includes everything in the mix as to not benefit one group significantly more than the other.

If you would like I can post the merger policy for you. By the way, in order to produce an awful result like what the US east pilots did, you'd need a majority...[edit:delete flamebait / insult]

 

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The US Airways thing was unique, over 1/2 the pilots at US Airways were on furlough, a number larger than total pilots at AWA as I remember, so what did they expect to happen when they stapled that many pilots, many with 14-15 years of seniority, below AWA new hires with 1-2 years sen. When all those guys got recalled they conducted a revolution and ditched ALPA, that is not going to happen here, nothing like that is even close to happening here.

 

Well first of all, many people are considering making a career out of regionals. Secondly, DOH will not be fair and equitable for everyone in both pilot groups. Relative seniority keeps you in the same percentage on a combined list. Due to differences beyond each pilot groups control, hiring waves a each airline were different, and so there are different gaps in seniority at each airline. You personally may benefit by DOH, but many others will suffer, including fellow pilots from ASA. As I said before, DOH is highly unlikely because the ONLY way it will happen is if BOTH respective NC's agree to it. I guarantee that won't happen.

Secondly, why don't you show me the single seniority list for UsAir/America West? The only one I know of is the Nicolau Award. That is still the controlling list, & it was not thrown out. The only thing that USAPA has gotten it's pilots is millions of more $$$ in fees, & years of wasted time/lost wages due to selfishly fighting the binding arbitration they agreed to. They are costing their own pilots millions of $$$, keeping them on separate contracts, & continuing their pilots BK wages. It seems like a good move so far.

 

You're forgetting, it's ALSO unique because it was BEFORE McCaskill.

 

Okay okay, we get it -- you're a Captain and the rest of us are just here to sling your gear.

If an integration based on DOH didn't benefit you personally, would you still claim it was so likely to happen?

 

Uh... ok.

Yes. I firmly believe it's the only fair way for a regional merger. And there isn't a whole lot of precedent for a regional merger of this size, now is there? The ALPA template isn't going to work this time.

 

Figure of speach Commander Tony. Upgrade time is going to be long without growth regardless of how the list is merged.

 

Nevermind.....

 

May take a few years but upgrading is going to matter less and less in the future anyway. Good to have it, but not a show-stopper if you don't. Too much may even hurt your chances if you want to go to a major in the future. They don't want new FOs who think they know how to be a captain better than the captain.