New Fatigue Rules Soon
09-11-2010 | 05:16 AM
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I'll tell you guys what isn't good. They are going to allow 2 pilots on Europe flights that now require 3 pilots. They are going to allow 3 crew members on flights that now require 4 pilots. A lot of major airlines do trips to the Caribbean where one crew deadheads down to fly back and vice versa (4 pilots required). Some airlines just send an IRO down (3 pilots required). The new rules will let 2 pilots fly it. Same with transcontinental turns. It will be allowed. This will eliminate more high paying jobs thereby affecting the regionals. Just something to think about.
09-12-2010 | 02:41 AM
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I'll tell you guys what isn't good. They are going to allow 2 pilots on Europe flights that now require 3 pilots. They are going to allow 3 crew members on flights that now require 4 pilots. A lot of major airlines do trips to the Caribbean where one crew deadheads down to fly back and vice versa (4 pilots required). Some airlines just send an IRO down (3 pilots required). The new rules will let 2 pilots fly it. Same with transcontinental turns. It will be allowed. This will eliminate more high paying jobs thereby affecting the regionals. Just something to think about.
In any case, I'm writing my congress critter about this very issue. It's one thing to do 9-10 hours block in the lower 48 where you are pretty much never more than 20-30 minutes away from a suitable airport. But a 180 ETOPS oceanic crossing when something happens to one pilot, suddenly that's a really, really BMFD.
That can NOT be allowed to happen. If it is, pilot groups with current pilot staffing required in their CBA's need to go to the mat with that issue (and not give up scope to keep it either).
09-12-2010 | 08:16 PM
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What doesn't look good is the fact that we can all kiss our days off goodbye. They (the companies) are not going to hire to cover the open holes in the schedule. We are going to be working more days for less pay. Even if we are guaranteed 4 hours, it's going to take 20 days to make up the minimum they need for coverage.
We are all going to be at contract minimums for days off. VERY unproductive days with fewer days for for even less pay will take the suck factor of this job up just one more step.
We are all going to be at contract minimums for days off. VERY unproductive days with fewer days for for even less pay will take the suck factor of this job up just one more step.
09-12-2010 | 08:22 PM
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What doesn't look good is the fact that we can all kiss our days off goodbye. They (the companies) are not going to hire to cover the open holes in the schedule. We are going to be working more days for less pay. Even if we are guaranteed 4 hours, it's going to take 20 days to make up the minimum they need for coverage.
We are all going to be at contract minimums for days off. VERY unproductive days with fewer days for for even less pay will take the suck factor of this job up just one more step.
We are all going to be at contract minimums for days off. VERY unproductive days with fewer days for for even less pay will take the suck factor of this job up just one more step.
09-12-2010 | 09:04 PM
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We'll get paid but that is not going to account for the additional days we'll have to be gone. We won't be flying as many hours a day, the company is not going to want to hire and train more pilots to cover the flight hours they need too. We'll be working min days off and unproductive days at that. My idea of work is not 3 hours of flight time, 9 hours of duty to sit in a hotel for 19 hours everyday only to block 15 hours for the four day.
09-13-2010 | 06:04 AM
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We'll get paid but that is not going to account for the additional days we'll have to be gone. We won't be flying as many hours a day, the company is not going to want to hire and train more pilots to cover the flight hours they need too. We'll be working min days off and unproductive days at that. My idea of work is not 3 hours of flight time, 9 hours of duty to sit in a hotel for 19 hours everyday only to block 15 hours for the four day.
I think things will not change very much. The company will still try to minimize their costs by flying as tight a schedule as they can.
09-13-2010 | 06:12 AM
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We'll get paid but that is not going to account for the additional days we'll have to be gone. We won't be flying as many hours a day, the company is not going to want to hire and train more pilots to cover the flight hours they need too. We'll be working min days off and unproductive days at that. My idea of work is not 3 hours of flight time, 9 hours of duty to sit in a hotel for 19 hours everyday only to block 15 hours for the four day.
For me I need about 15 days off to break even as far as my quality family time goes. I mean ask yourself... would you really stick with a job where you were on the road 5 days a week?
The only way the airlines might get away with it would be go to outstation basing so everybody could be home each night. You would come in, do one or two hub turns and be done.
09-13-2010 | 06:35 AM
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I loved this comment from the FAA PDF:
So, while unexpected delays are allowed for occasionally, chronic extensions for known weather and ATC problems may not be allowed. We'll see how well this is enforced!
Carriers should anticipate thunderstorms in many parts of the United States during the summer months. Likewise, heavy snow in the northern parts of the country should be anticipated during the winter, and the jet stream follows basic seasonal patterns. By the same token, carriers are not responsible for air traffic delays; however, if they are operating out of chronically delayed airports, air traffic delays are clearly foreseeable.
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