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Pure relative method for a 7 year pilot at all 3 carriers in the combined group:
Mesaba - 1140 Pinnacle - 630 Colgan - 210 That is where you would bid if you were hired at the same time. The Colgan guy bids the same as a 12 year 9E and an 18 year XJ guy. DOH method for a 7 year pilot at all 3 carriers in the combined group: They all fall around the 745 mark on the 3000 pilot list. The shift in percentage as opposed to what they are bidding currently in their company is: Mesaba - gain of 14% or +395 seats from the purely relative Pinnacle - loss of 3% or -115 seats from the purely relative Colgan - loss of 17% or -535 seats from the purely relative As you can see the 9E 7 year guy stays fairly stable no matter what method is used, but the Colgan and Mesaba guys change dramatically |
interesting numbers...
its going to be a mess... |
Originally Posted by yodafly
(Post 886187)
interesting numbers...
its going to be a mess... My whole point is to show that they will not use one method or the other but a combination of the two to make it overall fair for everyone. |
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 886147)
Axial it is quite humorous that you figure only Colgan fo's come with career expectations, not Colgan CA's, Pinnacle and Mesaba FO's, or Pinnacle and mesaba CA's...
Originally Posted by mooney
(Post 886147)
so to think that you as a Colgan FO deserves to be upgraded before a 9e or mesaba FO just cause "it was your career expectation" is quite amazing....
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Grow Up!!!!!!
I can't understand why everyone is so mad and entitled on this board!!! Everybody acts like it's them who deserves everything and only them who has sacrificed anything! Ridiculous! Every single pilot group is contributing to the new company!
Pinnacle, yes you financed the acquisitions of both (which in technically in mesabas case isn't necessarily true, since Delta actually did) but don't forget Mesaba is bringing it's safety, maintenance, and customer service culture which will bring a better name to the operation. Safety = business = $$$ in our pockets. Mesaba also brings it's contract success to the table. Colgan is the only airline bringing more planes with Q-400 growth and business potential with other airlines!!!! Pinnacle, although scolded for it, brings some beneficial cost structure techniques (aside from workers compensation areas) that the others haven't quite developed, and delta likes it. Please quit acting like your airline is the only one bringing anything to the table and that you deserve a seniority windfall. Grow up and lose the pompous attitude. We all sacrifice an enormous amount to be here and keep our operations running, let's use our strengths to fly a damn good airline so PASSENGERS keep PAYING US OUR SALARIES!!!! *Without them we have NOTHING!!! |
Originally Posted by marlonmoneda1
(Post 886393)
I can't understand why everyone is so mad and entitled on this board!!! Everybody acts like it's them who deserves everything and only them who has sacrificed anything! Ridiculous! Every single pilot group is contributing to the new company!
Pinnacle, yes you financed the acquisitions of both (which in technically in mesabas case isn't necessarily true, since Delta actually did) but don't forget Mesaba is bringing it's safety, maintenance, and customer service culture which will bring a better name to the operation. Safety = business = $$$ in our pockets. Mesaba also brings it's contract success to the table. Colgan is the only airline bringing more planes with Q-400 growth and business potential with other airlines!!!! Pinnacle, although scolded for it, brings some beneficial cost structure techniques (aside from workers compensation areas) that the others haven't quite developed, and delta likes it. Please quit acting like your airline is the only one bringing anything to the table and that you deserve a seniority windfall. Grow up and lose the pompous attitude. We all sacrifice an enormous amount to be here and keep our operations running, let's use our strengths to fly a damn good airline so PASSENGERS keep PAYING US OUR SALARIES!!!! *Without them we have NOTHING!!! |
Originally Posted by AxialFlow
(Post 886389)
Can you make a case for why upgrades on Colgan equipment in Colgan bases should go to a pilot of another airline? Seems pretty fair that a pilot who has put in time at said carrier should get first shot. Obviously you'll object if you work for 9E or XJ.
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Not to mention Colgan will cease to exist. Can't we all just get along?
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Originally Posted by screwdriver
(Post 885294)
Regional airlines rarely have such an opportunity as we do now. We all have been in the industry long enough to know that it is broken. There is no quick fix just as it has slowly devolved. You are right in the fact that many will inherently be "short sighted" but those are ultimately the ones to potentially feel the negative effects the most by taking the first thing thrown our way. We have to ask ourselves if the "right now" is more important than the whole career timeline. All of these mergers right now throughout the industry definately stand to strengthen the industry as a whole. United/Continental with the scope issue and more even pay scales at the mainline level. We also have opportunities. We NEED to be united as one strong group. We all have a lot to gain as well as lose. I'll get off my soapbox now, I just wanted to point out that this is an opportunity to steer it right or at least towards it a little.:cool:
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Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 886167)
As you can see the 9E 7 year guy stays fairly stable no matter what method is used, but the Colgan and Mesaba guys change dramatically
Relative could screw that subset of Pinnacle pilots, big time. |
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