You can tell me Pinnacle Airlines bought the Q's all day long until you're blue in the face. That's not how it is on paper...that's not how the shareholders see it. Save yourself the heartburn and quit harboring resentment towards 9L pilots over circumstances outside your control. Let it go...

way to spin my post. I have never had resentment towards 9L pilots. I have resentment over 1 or 2 people spreading junk knowing nothing about what they are talking about. If you can show me anywhere in my post where I have resentment towards the 9L pilots, go ahead.....it would be dumb of me to do that because you never know who might buy Pinnacle tomorrow and I'm not that hypocritical.....

Yoda it's not that we want to fly the q necessarily. It could be a J31 and it would be the same. It's the principle that out scope was intentionally violated by management. I'd like to see you or Axial in my jumpseat telling my FO why he does not deserve to upgrade into it over a Colgan pilot with less seniority.....let me grab the popcorn.

I would watch what you say. The XJ pilots could vote down the contract and 9L is left with no contract and no scope. Pinnacle could easily yank every plane away from you guys and leave it up to XJ to determine how to integrate all of you. Colgan is going away.

You're right, that was my bad. The internet being the poor medium for communication that it is, lends itself to misinterpretations.

I think you'd have a case for it if Colgan actually displaced Pinnacle Aircraft on Pinnacle routes. Pinnacle didn't have a contract with Continental (or UAL and USAir for that matter) When I think Alter-Ego...I think of GoJets equipment flying TSA routes. That's not the case here. And it shouldn't be used as an excuse to hand upgrades on Colgan equipment to pilots of other carriers, IMO. But I digress...arguing on the internet is pointless. We'll only get further entrenched in our own views. I'll maintain my position regarding upgrades.

There are risks to everything...

This is not accurate at all. The Colgan name and certificate is going away but there is still the Colgan pilot group, which is ALPA like the other groups. Because of this we are all bound by the ALPA Merger and Fragmentation policy and will be intergrated as we are currently planning to do, by using the policy and each airlines merger committees.

Also if a contract is not ratified by the pilot group as you say then the Mesaba scope will prevail and all Colgan pilots will most likely be operating under Mesaba's current CBA.

Negative, the ALPA merger policy in that case would not prevail. There would be no merger. Colgan has no scope and no contract. Very vulnerable in this situation. Pinnacle would get what they want in the cheapest way possible and that could be simply shutting down Colgan and Mesaba is given planes.

The point is, there is a lot more to worry about than just your seniority and a quick upgrade. Most XJ people were expecting a quick upgrade but it didn't happen when 900s went to ASA. We all had expectation before this merger. Not only will some Colgan expectations come through (quick upgrade) but some of Mesaba's as well (flow through).

Contract and Scope have nothing to do with this. You stated that if Colgan is gone in name and the certifcate is gone the pilots will be at the mercy of Mesaba to decide what to do with the Colgan pilots, again this is not true. Even if Colgan and the operating certificate go away we are all still ALPA pilots. Airlines that are currently in custodianship are still ALPA members. We just dont go away.

From the Merger and Fragmentation policy..

"The purpose of ALPA Merger Policy is to provide protection for the employment interests of ALPA represented
flight deck crew members by establishing orderly and expeditious processes for (1) concluding a joint collective
bargaining agreement (JCBA), (2) concluding the fair and equitable merger of seniority lists and (3) merging Master

Executive Councils (MECs)."

I do not want to get into a bickering match like many on here but lets not act like the Colgan pilots will be at the mercy of another airline and that they will solely decide where our pilots go.

You are correct.

If Colgan merges with just Mesaba it will happen the same as its going to happen between all three, fairly.

Let's get this thing done and have a good contract that represents all of us.

This new Pinnacle is alot of oppurtunity for everyone.

Word homie....