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Bartok 10-27-2010 08:20 AM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 891325)
Perhaps, but for me and many of us at Mesaba if we aren't getting our contract at least restored to pre-bankruptcy it's an easy NO vote. I will not be accepting a continuation of a concessionary contract even longer. If the company is understanding and open to that perhaps we can move quick. If they simply want to use this to further extend a concessionary contract, they might get a deal done by November 15..... 2020.
I'm with you, if this contract is not progressing forward from what XJ had pre-bankruptcy, it's a NO vote for me also.

I think the MEC guys understand this also.

cencal83406 10-27-2010 08:25 AM
Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 891325)
Perhaps, but for me and many of us at Mesaba if we aren't getting our contract at least restored to pre-bankruptcy it's an easy NO vote. I will not be accepting a continuation of a concessionary contract even longer. If the company is understanding and open to that perhaps we can move quick. If they simply want to use this to further extend a concessionary contract, they might get a deal done by November 15..... 2020.
Not to fuel the fire, and Higney correct me if I'm wrong but:

The negotiators are NOT attempting to negotiate with the 4% snap-back in mind.

Bartok 10-27-2010 08:30 AM
Originally Posted by bored (Post 891335)
From what I understand... the pay negotiations DID start at our December 1, 2010 rates... which include the 4% raise. I'm not sure there'd be much support from the XJ guys on the JNC if it didn't.
Not to mention that those rates wouldn't be as high as 9E negotiated previously.

cencal83406 10-27-2010 08:32 AM
Originally Posted by bored (Post 891335)
From what I understand... the pay negotiations DID start at our December 1, 2010 rates... which include the 4% raise. I'm not sure there'd be much support from the XJ guys on the JNC if it didn't.
I hope so man, I hope so. I've got a no vote ready if what I heard from our MEC Vice-Chair AVV is true...

Bringing you guys to the table should not only raise the Pinnacle pilots bar, but it should raise the Mesaba pilots bar because now the strength is 140+ aircraft (not sure what you had before).

Of course, then there are the Colgan guys :p but I hope they have their no votes ready to show this company that they don't take crap.

AxialFlow 10-27-2010 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by bored (Post 891286)
the company has every interest in combining the airlines ASAP.
I'm sure they do, but will it be what we want? I'm sure management is more than happy to wipe their ass with a piece of paper, label it "contract", and hand it back to the pilot group to sign off on. Hell...we don't need until Nov 15th to get THAT done!

Let's hope our negotiating team keeps their eye on the prize and doesn't get buffaloed into signing off on some P.O.S. just for the sake of having a T.A by the 15th!

Bartok 10-27-2010 08:35 AM
Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 891340)
I hope so man, I hope so. I've got a no vote ready if what I heard from our MEC Vice-Chair AVV is true...

Bringing you guys to the table should not only raise the Pinnacle pilots bar, but it should raise the Mesaba pilots bar because now the strength is 140+ aircraft (not sure what you had before).

Of course, then there are the Colgan guys :p but I hope they have their no votes ready to show this company that they don't take crap.
If AxialRose is a barometer for Colgan then they would give their family jewels for a fence and a promise of PIC.

cencal83406 10-27-2010 08:37 AM
Pinnacle TA1 Wage Rates:

Code:
Appendix “B”
Wage Rates – Effective October 1, 2009
      60-76 Seat  44-59 Seat Turbojet
YOS CA    FO    CA    FO
  01 61.27 25.73 57.38 23.11
  02 63.10 34.48 59.68 32.15
  03 65.73 36.81 61.96 35.06
  04 67.70 38.33 64.01 36.83
  05 69.39 39.30 65.94 37.84
  06 71.52 40.26 67.93 38.69
  07 73.72 41.25 69.98 39.47
  08 75.91 42.03 72.10 40.05
  09 78.57 42.06 74.33 40.05
  10 81.31 42.08 76.62 40.05
  11 83.78 42.08 78.83 40.05
  12 86.48 42.08 81.37 40.05
  13 89.02 42.08 83.76 40.05
  14 91.77 42.08 86.24 40.05
  15 94.52 43.07 88.25 40.05
  16 97.07 44.03 89.98 40.05
  17 99.55 44.93 91.68 40.05
 18  102.09 45.96 93.29 40.05

xjsaab 10-27-2010 08:50 AM
those TA rates are still mostly less then our snapback rates. It's even $3 less than my current pay right now. Block or better, 4 hour min day, sliding vacation grids, DH pay, min days off, medical, 401K match there is way more to the picture than an extra $2/hour.

A 1.5% increase in 401K match will net us all tens of thousands of dollars more than a uniform match. Don't vote purely on pay. please

cencal83406 10-27-2010 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by xjsaab (Post 891359)
those TA rates are still mostly less then our snapback rates. It's even $3 less than my current pay right now. Block or better, 4 hour min day, sliding vacation grids, DH pay, min days off, medical, 401K match there is way more to the picture than an extra $2/hour.

A 1.5% increase in 401K match will net us all tens of thousands of dollars more than a uniform match. Do vote purely on pay. please
Does anyone have the Mesaba pay rate table? w/ and w/out snapbacks...

oh and remember, some of those things you have weren't even negotiated into Pinnacle TA1...

Airsupport 10-27-2010 09:09 AM
Originally Posted by xjsaab (Post 891359)
those TA rates are still mostly less then our snapback rates. It's even $3 less than my current pay right now. Block or better, 4 hour min day, sliding vacation grids, DH pay, min days off, medical, 401K match there is way more to the picture than an extra $2/hour.

A 1.5% increase in 401K match will net us all tens of thousands of dollars more than a uniform match. Do vote purely on pay. please
Im going to make an assumption that you meant to say "Don't vote purely on pay"


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