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Problems with dual qualification.
1. Training. As already posted what happens if you have been flying the 200 for the last 3 months but the only sim available for your PC is a 900? 2. Fewer higher paying positions. The main point of dual qualification to the company is to have fewer 900 awards. A 900 awarded pilot will have their vacation, sick time, min guarantee etc in 900 pay. A 200 awarded pilot will have all of this pay on the 200 rate even though they may fly the 900 60% of the time. 3. Fewer positions overall. The added efficiency of dual qualification will require less pilots. That means we will be run even thinner than we currently are. That means we are that much closer to furlough/downgrades if we see stagnation or less flying in the future. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The language of the dual qualification in TA1 was terrible. Correct me if I am not accurate, but I believe the number of 900 awarded positions was somewhere in the range of ~3.5 positions per airframe after the last phase. If we staff the 200 closer to ~5.0 when we aren't run down to the bone that is an average of ~1.5 captain and first officer slots that will be paid at the 200 rate as a baseline but be primarily 900 positions. How is Mesaba staffed on the 900? I'd be willing to bet that you guys are staffed well over 5 crews per aircraft? How many high paying positions will you be losing? Even if the dual qualification section required 7 awarded 900 crews per airframe you would still have the problem with training. Strong language would be needed to protect you from training in an aircraft you havent flown for a long period of time. At that point you have to ask yourself, if I don't want to take a PC in that aircraft, should I really be flying it full of people? |
Originally Posted by xjsaab
(Post 891582)
You should be helping the company to the fullest extent that our union contract allows. It cracks me up when people screw the performance numbers on purpose and then get ****ed when the company won't pay better. This is business, pure and simple. If you feel like a slave get a new job. Otherwise show up and fly the contract.
The more profitable the company the more money we can negotiate for. I've flown both the 200 & 900 it's easy to transition between the two. As stated in a earlier post: Pay based off seniority would nullify any issues with sick leave, disability etc. UPS does this already. The union comes to the table realizing the different scenarios and their cost vs benefits. This isn't caving to the company without anything in return. Part of negotiating is give and take. We'll cut your costs, but we get a percentage of that cost to increase our benefits. My question to you if the union could negotiate 1) more days off, better pay with a dual qual pilot group vs 2) lower pay, less days off with two fleet groups Which would you choose? Are you nuts? |
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner
(Post 892572)
I don't get this at all, basically you want people who where 900 pilots to come to work and take a pay cut on one day(fly the200), then fly the 900 on another at their normal rates on another day?
Are you nuts? |
Well, if the company is dead set on dual qual, then what are we willing to get in return?
A high blended rate? Higher guarantee? More 401k matching? Or is dual qual going to kill this? |
Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 892727)
Well, if the company is dead set on dual qual, then what are we willing to get in return?
A high blended rate? Higher guarantee? More 401k matching? Or is dual qual going to kill this? All pay and benefits are based on the highest rate the individual is qualified on PLUS an override for the extra work to maintain proficiency in multiple aircraft. IF they want it that bad, make them pay. |
Why is the Q400 rate the same as the crj 200. It should be the same as the 900. Growth is in the 900 and the Q400, that is where we should push for higher pay rates.
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Originally Posted by yodafly
(Post 892894)
Why is the Q400 rate the same as the crj 200. It should be the same as the 900. Growth is in the 900 and the Q400, that is where we should push for higher pay rates.
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Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 892918)
Because it's a turboprop, and everyone knows jet drivers are better pilots and should be compensated better.
hell yes!:D |
Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 892727)
Well, if the company is dead set on dual qual, then what are we willing to get in return?
A high blended rate? Higher guarantee? More 401k matching? Or is dual qual going to kill this? I don't know what the right answers are as far as what we should get in return, but rest assured, PNCL management is going to want Dual Qual!!! |
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