djrogs03

How can you say that when almost half of the pilots at 9E voted TA1 in, when it was 12.5% below what XJ's current contract is?

SErickson

Bored...I would hope that the 10+ years that you have known me would count for something.

I'm not sure what you are looking for as further proof that the joint MECs intentions are pure. Don't undervalue the importance and difficulty of whats already been accomplished. Only through close coordinated action have the three MECs been able to get us in a position where we are even able to talk about a joint contract and singular representation that will rid us of the age old PCL/MSA whipsaw. Don't forget that management wanted nothing to do with this originally.

The joint contract poses some unique challenges. The current status PCL TA and MSA contract are fairly dissimilar in their makeup. The weak areas of the MSA book are generally the strong areas of PCL and vise versa. Neither of the agreements on their own would have ratified both the PCL or MSA MECs. So far, negotiations are proceeding well with the best practices of both agreements being utilized for the combined agreement.



The XJ contract was not 12.5% higher than PCL TA1. Whoever told you that had their head way up their a$$. At the time, XJ captains were probably about a wash with PCL CAs but XJ FOs were way behind PCL FOs in terms of income.

cencal83406

Here's a good, non-polarizing question

Mesaba guys/gals.... when do your bid packs come out, when does your bid open, and when do you see your line?

At Pinnacle we are told that we don't get the schedule from Delta until sometime the month prior to doing it, and we open our PBS bidding on the 15th of the month prior, close it at noon on the 20th, and see the results earliest 24 hours later contractually.

I really think that sucks.

higney85

Just stop the bickering and get the facts before this continues. In order for any kind of "majority" as you have alluded to you need to understand how this process works. Assuming there is a TA for a JCBA reached each respective MEC will vote (individually) for the TA. If it doesn't pass ANY of the 3 (must have 3/3 in favor) the TA is essentially voted DOWN at the MEC level. This will ensure that no TA goes out for ratification by the pilot group where this "scenario" of majority in numbers cannot occur.

Avroman

We get the packet on the second Thursday of the month, bid closes the following Monday at 7am Central. Lines posted by Friday at 5pm.

What really sucks is PBS in general.

SrfNFly227

This is where I am still a little fuzzy about details. The way this sounds, each MEC has to vote yes? So it isn't a combined vote of all reps with the majority winning?

Next question. When we finally see a TA make it to the pilot groups, does each pilot group vote individually? I have been confused on whether each group has to vote it in or if we total all the votes and 50% had to say yes?

FlyJSH

Just for clarification, you are currently DOS+4? Is that correct?

higney85

Well, if none of the reps would vote in favor it would never pass... It's not just money- there are serious language gaps. Look at the 9E TA at almost 400 pages, XJ's is around 100 I believe. No matter how you want to argue it, it's water under the bridge as we are working on the JCBA.

djrogs03

I have to be honest, I haven't seen your guys TA, just heard about some of the things that weren't in it from other threads on APC. Maybe one could make it available, like I have made the XJ contract available...by the way the XJ contract is 524 pages, lots o readin...

typical41

For those pinnacle and colgan pilots who have yet to read/unaware of the current mesaba contract...here are a few of the highlights and lowlights currently(Btw...i am not satesfied one bit with our current contract and want much more than is listed here)

Section 1 - Lots of scope protections...actually fairly good section 1 for a regional pilot group

section 3 - you will have to take a look at the pay for yourself...just keep in mind this though...Mesaba has a 4% raise coming on Dec 1 of this year 2010.
When those new pay rates go into effect...Fo's (all fo's payed the same rate whether on prop or jet) will start at 25.97, 31.14, 34.19....year7-8 is 41.90 tops. Ca's for a 200 start at 61.14 yr 1....yr 2 62.98,64.88....year 17-18 is 101.06 tops. Ca's for a 900 start at 65.48,67.46,69.48....year 17-18 is 104.24 tops. Bottom line....FO pay is terrible(for a lot of reasons in the past, but it is just not good), Ca pay is better but still needs to be increased.

I only hope that pilots of all 3 groups realize that the company is looking at paying us based on mesaba's 'current' rates which are only a couple of months from receiving a 4% pay increase. This is one reason the company wants this done so quickly. Just giving you a heads up.

other section 3 stuff....block or better, min pay per day is 4 hrs, cdo pay is min of 4 hrs, taxi repositions = 12 min pay, trip guarentee pay, monthly guarentee pay is at 75 hrs for rsv and line holders, Rsv's only get paid higher than 75 if you credit over 75, get junior manned, or pick up ot; all of which goes on top of 75. drug test pay is 30 mintues of pay, customs pay is 18 min of pay, premium pay is for OT and junior manning which is 1.5X your pay rate. premium pay can be taken away by payroll if you call in sick at anytime within the same bid period you received premium pay for picking up OT.


Other contract stuff that I am sick of catagorizing by section....

-only 50% pay of deadheads
-per diem is currently at 1.55 BUT on Dec 1st we will be at 1.65 (all very very low)
-rsv's will not be called once you hit 70 hrs of credit, they will only call you if there are no other pilots available.
-dec 31st of each year all pilots receive 235 dollar checks (supposed to be used for uniforms)(effective dec 31st 2010)
-training hotel buyout options...if you don't use a hotel provided by training, you can get paid 50% of what the company pays
-min day pay is 4 hrs(so for the most part, even if you pick up a trip for ot that is only worth 2 hrs of flying or credit, you will get paid 6 hrs on top of your gaurentee.) (4 hr min day pay * 1.5 premium factor = 6 hrs pay)
-lots of cdo scheduling provisions (some are good, and some hurt you)
-11 days min days off a month(can go to 10 if you pick up ot, but NEVER less than 10 even if you want to so you can pick up a trip)
-new hires receive their own hotel room (no dual occupancy rooms)
-new hires uniforms are paid 50% by company
-1 week vacation can be used as 5 individual pvd's
-lots of stuff regarding moving expenses paid for when displaced involuntarily.
-company only pays for parking in current pilot domiciles, even if where you live is cheaper
-no duty/trip rigs....but we do have the min day pay
-sick bank accrues at 2.5 hrs a month
-we have pbs and it sucks
-we have no automated trip trade
-we have no way to determine rsv coverage per day...so scheduling could do whatever they want and most of the time get away with it.

if you want to know more, i think someone posted a link to mesaba's contract...just thought this would pull out some of the most often asked about areas...just ask if you have more questions.

One thing I did want to point out though was how i would not be surprised if one of the reason's this company wants a contract so fast(before dec 1st of this year) is b.c. of mesaba's 4% raise which is coming this dec 1st. What a great way to get around it...negotiate rates before the 4%raise. same goes for our uniform pay and per diem.