Airsupport

This is the reason why LOTS of pinnacle pilots have a problem with xj pilots. This typical condescending attitude has got to stop. MESABA was bought by PINNACLE, not the other way around. I know it makes a lot of the mesaba pilots mad but that's the way it is. The mesaba ship was sinking AGAIN and pinnacle came in and made the purchase. Luckily the furloughed fo's I have had the pleasure to fly with see that and are thankfull that pinnacle hired them on when they didnt have to offer them anyrhing. I don't trust the mesaba mec any further than i could throw them. If it had been the other way around i have no doubt the mesaba pilots would be waiving the loa THEY wrote in our face and tell us we should be gratefull they are offering us a three to one deal.

You are a pinnacle pilot. Deal with it and join us or get out of the way and let those willing to get on board do.

Laxrox43

Thanks djrogs03!!! I have been trying to find this document on the ALPA website with no luck. My headache is over!

Let the reading begin!

Regards,
Laxrox43

Colnago

What the...? That was uncalled for. You sound like you have an inferiority complex. Now that we all actually have some leverage you're gonna go and **** on the XJ guys?

flyprdu

There's a lot of guys like that. The NC and MECs need to be sure to come to a quality TA that all can be happy with. Because 9E pilots (and assumedly 9L) are so hard up for new deal that they'll vote in anything.

Let's all pray that the JNC can hold their ground, make headway, and build off the Mesaba baseline.

Airsupport

I am sick of xj guys saying how scared they are to let colgan and pinnacle guys vote because we will take anything that we can. Try reading what he wrote before you read my response. He is pretty much saying you the colgan pilot will take any piece of crap they throw at you.

higney85

First off, the current XJ contract would NOT pass the 9E MEC. Not even with 1 vote. We do have TA2 sections that are good, XJ also has some good sections. The 9E group has shown it will throw trash back to the can. The point that I would like to make is simple- We have 3 groups creating 1 contract. The idea of "mesaba this" and "pinnacle that" is not even worth your breath because it's not even in play by those making decisions. We are all (all 3) working together for something that covers every pilot regardless of what uniform they currently wear. Is it easy? Heck NO! Can it be done? HECK YES! Every pilot under pinnacle CORP needs to understand that the more united we stand the more we can achieve. Period.

FSUpilot

seems to me that nothing will get done if pilots from the 3 groups fight among themselves... I understand this is a message board, but if its like that in real life you will just make management happy and you will be stuck negotiating for another few years.

Im excited for the possibility of working for pinnacle... hopefully in the near future.. i would love to come in and vote for a decent contract. I havent been in the industry for long but I have been following things closely. Its kind of exciting in a way to hope to get on with a company just in the dawn of a new light. I hope there is a way new hires can possibly make a difference.

Colnago

I agree with you. The way I see it is that the previous 9E TA was turned down by the pilots (good job) but it was only by a small percentage that it didn't pass (correct me if I'm wrong). Given that there were numerous people who actually DID vote in favor of it, I would expect it wouldn't take much to have the same people vote in favor of an XJ-status-quo TA.

I understand that it is terrible for the 9E pilots to have been working with a bad contract for so long and I seriously commend them all for not giving in easily. However, we're humans and I suspect impatience will get the best of some.

Airsupport

ha bored. If you knew I was going to go off like that then you instigated my rant! Here is the thing. If it was just you saying that then I wouldn't care. You and I have gone round and round about this stuff for a few years now and I would just blow it off if you were the only one saying it. However other mesaba pilots are saying the same thing. That is what is getting to me. And its not being overly sensitive. Its sticking up for the pilots who gave up ALOT by negotiating for over 5 years and then voting down a TA so we could do better. I personally have seen more than $25,000 dollars disappear since we voted down that TA almost 1 year ago (and $15,000) of that I will never get back. The 52% of us that voted no took a huge gamble in sending it back to the company. We had no idea what the outcome was going to be. Little did we know that the NMB would put us on ice. We had no idea that pinnacle was going to buy another airline. We didn't know the path the no vote was going to take us but we made that choice. A little respect for those that stood up would do nicely.

And you are also misinterpreting what I said. I never once said pinnacle "saved" mesaba. I said that pinnacle saw a business opportunity and took it. They do not care about the mesaba pilots or people. They care about the business. Luckily however for the mesaba guys our MEC that you don't trust went to the company and got a deal worked out that would allow people that didn't have a job to go to to come over to pinnacle and join our ranks while things are being worked out. And not only did the MEC you dont trust get that deal they worked it out so the pilots could keep their longevity for everything. So instead of saying the pinnacle MEC needs to earn your respect how about showing them some for all they have done so far.

Airsupport

Like I said earlier, we will vote for anything right. Just like the TA that passed last year??