XJT Pilot Stands Up to TSA
10-21-2010, 03:28 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by Zapata
Your background checks are meaningless at the checkpoint because an air carrier ID can be made at a Kinko's. Yes, you're more of a risk because the validity of your ID cannot be verified. CASS is a way of verifying the ID. So yes, CASS is a valid layer of security
10-21-2010, 03:34 PM
#132
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Originally Posted by IMHO
Yep I'm a prude and glad about it. I unapologetically will not go through these machines, because ultimately the TSA, and those in its employee are not qualified to see my naked body. I am not a criminal, I haven't been arrested for suspicion of any crime. Why in God's name would I subject myself to the federal government, stripping me down to nothing, because I'm getting on an airplane? We have gone too far in this country. Is nothing private anymore? Is there no right to individual privacy? They can listen to our calls, search our laptops without cause, and finally see me naked in all my wonderous beauty. At some point, someone has to say enough is enough. Maybe some of us, dont mind the government telling us what to eat, telling us what to buy (healthcare) or telling us how to live our lives in general, but is it really ok for some TSA agent to see my naked body? I dont think so. SO I'm glad someone finally said enough is enough. I'm sure this has been said and I'll say it again, we are going to politically correct ourselves into a corner in this country. I heard a lady on CNN say this morning, if "the pilot" doesnt go through the screening process, how does he expect anybody else to want to go through the process. Excuse me lady, but at what point do you take off your, "its not fair" hat and think to yourself, HE'S FLYING THE AIRPLANE!!! Hello America, searching a pilot is like taking toothpaste out of the bag of an air marshal. Its pointless, any pilot off his or her rocker to the point that they are would be terrorist, dont need guns, knives or explosives. All they need is two hands, and a bathroom break by the "other guy." What have we come to in this country.
You aren't stripping down and no one is seeing "you" naked. If those grainy black and white images are your idea of porn, I bet you're a real treat to fly with.
10-21-2010, 07:26 PM
#133
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
I slept in this morning. What were we supposed to eat? I don't want to get in trouble. I also didn't get the memo on how to live my life. If it's according to a set of rules intended to keep society safe, I'm all for them. Have you forgotten about the FedEx pilot beating?
Except genocide is not the intended outcome of a security screening.
Except genocide is not the intended outcome of a security screening.
10-22-2010, 06:19 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by Trip7
This person has some kind of complex. Caused all that drama just because they are too proud to do a pat down? REDICULOUS!
Refuse the body scanner, ok. But get off your high horse, get patted down, and go to work.
Refuse the body scanner, ok. But get off your high horse, get patted down, and go to work.
i think he was on good morning america today...he really did not come across as the sharpest tool in the shed...kinda embarassing that he got in the public eye. I imagine XJT will need 1 more pilot to fill his slot.
10-22-2010, 08:26 AM
#135
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Originally Posted by IMHO
Yep I'm a prude and glad about it. I unapologetically will not go through these machines, because ultimately the TSA, and those in its employee are not qualified to see my naked body. I am not a criminal, I haven't been arrested for suspicion of any crime. Why in God's name would I subject myself to the federal government, stripping me down to nothing, because I'm getting on an airplane? We have gone too far in this country. Is nothing private anymore? Is there no right to individual privacy? They can listen to our calls, search our laptops without cause, and finally see me naked in all my wonderous beauty. At some point, someone has to say enough is enough. Maybe some of us, dont mind the government telling us what to eat, telling us what to buy (healthcare) or telling us how to live our lives in general, but is it really ok for some TSA agent to see my naked body? I dont think so. SO I'm glad someone finally said enough is enough. I'm sure this has been said and I'll say it again, we are going to politically correct ourselves into a corner in this country. I heard a lady on CNN say this morning, if "the pilot" doesnt go through the screening process, how does he expect anybody else to want to go through the process. Excuse me lady, but at what point do you take off your, "its not fair" hat and think to yourself, HE'S FLYING THE AIRPLANE!!! Hello America, searching a pilot is like taking toothpaste out of the bag of an air marshal. Its pointless, any pilot off his or her rocker to the point that they are would be terrorist, dont need guns, knives or explosives. All they need is two hands, and a bathroom break by the "other guy." What have we come to in this country.
The images that are produced by the scanner aren't even close. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take off the drama hat. You're not standing naked in a line up for all to see. And you don't have to go through the scanner. I went through security on my commute yesterday, & I went through just a metal detector. Didn't have to opt out, didn't have to get a pat down.
I agree that we shouldn't have to deal with these things, but I think there is a level of safety added with these scanners. There are weapons a pilot could easily conceal that would be undetectable by a metal detector, but revealed by scanner. Successfully bringing it aboard would make it easier to eliminate the other pilot, & have complete control of the aircraft. Remember the FedEx flight where a disgruntled FE came aboard as a jumpseater(or maybe a DH) and attempted to kill the crew so he could crash the DC-10 into FedEx HQ's? He was going to be fired for pencil whipping his logbook, so he wanted to cash in on his life insurance policy for his kids before he lost his job. It took 3 crew members to stop him. And they were so severely injured that they lost their medicals. Imagine having only 1 crewmember to take out. Terrorism is not our only threat. Nutty people slip through the cracks. People sometimes lose it due to extreme stress often brought on by home life falling apart.
I'm not a fan of the TSA, but fighting them isn't going to help. We need to work with them, & try to agree on a procedure that benefits us all, including our passengers. If your ALPA, continue to write your Reps and press for CrewPass. Every time a passenger huffs when I cut in front of them at security, I ask them to write TSA about CrewPass. I tell them I understand their frustration, and tell them CrewPass would eliminate a lot of crewmembers cutting them off.
10-22-2010, 08:32 AM
#136
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It took 3 crew members to stop him. And they were so severely injured that they lost their medicals. Imagine having only 1 crewmember to take out.
10-22-2010, 08:36 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by IMHO
Well, you must have been sleeping in an awful long time but in the last 5 years or so, trans fatty acids have been banned in a local municipalities. Smoking in your own car can prove to be a challenge, and if you happen to smoke in your house and the smell reaches your neighbors backyard, well then you may have to cease that too. Not to mention seatbelt laws that fine you for not wearing it. The absence of soda machines in some school districts. I suppose you've heard since you woke up that the legislature in the state of Mississippi, toyed with the idea of weighing people before entering a restauraunt. Now some of these may be over the top, but what if I told you 15 years ago, that today we'd be letting non law enforcement government employees see through our clothing in the interest of "safe society." Is society safer because the PATRIOT Act allows the Feds to look at your credit card, phone, and library borrowing habits without your knowing? Is society safer because you cant buy soda on Govt welfare? Just how safe is this society? Furthermore, in the interest of "safety" how far are you willing to go? Perhaps we should make flying a clothing free event. I mean why not? How safe would the sky be if we all sat naked in our seats? In the interest of public safety, I'm sure you would have no problem with that.
10-22-2010, 10:22 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by contrail67
i think he was on good morning america today...he really did not come across as the sharpest tool in the shed...kinda embarassing that he got in the public eye. I imagine XJT will need 1 more pilot to fill his slot.
10-22-2010, 10:51 AM
#139
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
How you figure? My ID isn't checked against CASS when I pass through security, only when I request a jumpseat pass. Maybe some airports operate differently? Big hole in the system that could be easily fixed with a secure Crew-pass.
I was just explaining the realities to minitour. The "extra scrutiny", meaning going through regular security vs CrewPASS. That's the way I interpreted his question.
10-22-2010, 11:07 AM
#140
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Originally Posted by thebaron
once again prude...
You aren't stripping down and no one is seeing "you" naked. If those grainy black and white images are your idea of porn, i bet you're a real treat to fly with.
You aren't stripping down and no one is seeing "you" naked. If those grainy black and white images are your idea of porn, i bet you're a real treat to fly with.
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