sinsilvia666

complete bull******....good to see someone stand up to this crap. what exactly is changing on November 1st for crew?

JoeyMeatballs

What drives me completely nuts is how the Rampers can bypass security. How many times have they been arrested in the past for smuggling narcotics and or stealing peoples belongings? It's ridiculous

"if you stand for nothing, you fall for everything"

Milk Man

Yes it funny how TSA operates, 3-4 weeks ago in EWR, the TSA let someone slip by secuirty checkpoint and they closed every terminal down looking for this person. Dont believe they ever found them. TSA was in a line so nobody could come out of the C1,2,3 concourse terminals. They were looking for someone in a blue shirt and black hat. They wouldnt let crew members by nor the Border Patrol agents that were there. You think the people who slipped up and let that guy through got fired? I dont know but highly doubt it.

TSA seems to look at crew members more suspicious then actual passengers, my opinion in some areas.

Duckdude

I saw a sign in a store the other day. It said "Protect our constitution before it can no longer protect you." Looks like it may be too late for our pilot friend.

ToiletDuck

In Houston as well as most other places I've declined and haven't had any problem. Detroit however gave me no option and told me I must go through the sterilizer.

I applaud this pilot and his story should be sent to all major unions. I've heard of others having the same issues.

clipperskipper

Just received the new numbers from TSA and it reads hijacking by flight crews was down last year. Seriously I would advise your MEC or LEC immediately of what has transpired so far. The fact that you wanted to opt out is perfectly within your rights, and provisions should be in place so that this request can be accommodated. There have been some recent landmark cases which have made national scrutiny, like the little kid in his wheelchair, so that these provisions are in place. I was showing with my entire crew at BWI one afternoon and had the exact same thing happen to me. After explaining all of the details to our LEC, we were to demand, not request, demand a private room for screening. We also made immediate changes to our contract, and I soon mastered navigating around the sterile area at every airport in the system, sans BWI. Security has gone from the sublime, where we would go through the sterile area at LGA with a handgun undetected, to what we are witnessing now.

TSA is still relatively young and is anything but streamlined to the extent that all of the training manuals are being re-written. The manuals will probably appear similar, just a lot of commas inserted where they don't belong, because, since this is the Government, it is
their accepted form, of writing style. Drives ya nuts doesn't it? Let us know how you make out.

pilotrob23

I think the pilot might have gone a tad overboard on this one. As an instructor himself, I think going through the proper channels instead of possibly needing legal advice, and or losing your flying job. Tsa is a joke, we can all agree i would think? But they are on our side, and i think this may have went a bit far. Im for our rights and everything this pilot was trying for, but it again may have went to far. Maybe like grabn a beer and jumpn out a slide. No disrespect to anyone or their own opinion on constitutional rights, just thought it could have been dealt with better. Take care everyone and fly safe!

nordo

To say nothing of the fact that TSA makes up their own rules from airport to airport.

It's interesting that at some airports TSA is exceptionally nice and accommodating to crew as they go through security, and at some airports (cough CLT cough, if you don't go through the gates at the Airways end of the concourse) they can be just miserable.

Perhaps ALPA should get us all TLDs (Thermo-Luminescent Dosimeters) which monitor exposure to radiation for all flight crew (and AFA should do the same). These are the same things that medical staff who work around radioactive/nuclear medicine, as well as Navy nukes wear all the time when they are on duty. Then we can see how much total radiation we are exposed to in a year by those scanners, and sitting in our "cushy" offices in the sky.

I agree with the XJT pilot who had his issues with the TSA guys,there's no consistency within their own ranks, and he's right, we have had our "freedoms" (civil rights) abrogated because of the paranoia and fear generated by politicians who did it to stay in power. I hope he doesn't lose his job over this, and that it just becomes another "lesson learned" in the long odyssey of CrewPASS.

BYUFlyr

Really? Are we still battling this issue as professional flight crews? Do these morons know that we are the ones in control of the aircraft and crash ax which sits behind our seat? I wonder if members of Congress get frisked before entering federal buildings or boarding their private tax-funded airplanes... it would make just as much sense. I applaud him for standing up for his rights, though I think I would've just demanded a private room and then immediately made every effort to expose this upside-down logic to the press. I hope ALPA gets all over this like white on rice (at a slightly hastier pace than CREWPASS).

Captain Tony

The quote is: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

If you don't know it, don't make stuff up just to sound cool.