What do think will happen at Eagle?
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No, code-shares require APA involvement. The jetBlue thing is an interline agreement... although, for all practical purposes, with all the side letters of agreement to honor eachothers airmiles and do revenue sharing (not profit sharing) they have everything a codeshare does except slapping the AA code on the flight.
But to expound upon your thought further... Eagle would not have to be bought by ANYBODY to do exactly that... AMR could spin Eagle off tomorrow, tear up the one page fee for departure agreement, and then program Sabre to make Eagle the interline partner of choice on the exact same routes they are flying now. Worse, they would then be free to buy as many new and larger planes as they wanted for Eagle to fly them on the interline agreement. The same side contracts they have with jetBlue to honor and award miles programs along with revenue sharing would work there as well... and since it is all going back to the same AMR shareholders, the end result is the money goes back to the same people anyway.
Now, isn't that a scary thought... talk about outsourcing of jobs...
But to expound upon your thought further... Eagle would not have to be bought by ANYBODY to do exactly that... AMR could spin Eagle off tomorrow, tear up the one page fee for departure agreement, and then program Sabre to make Eagle the interline partner of choice on the exact same routes they are flying now. Worse, they would then be free to buy as many new and larger planes as they wanted for Eagle to fly them on the interline agreement. The same side contracts they have with jetBlue to honor and award miles programs along with revenue sharing would work there as well... and since it is all going back to the same AMR shareholders, the end result is the money goes back to the same people anyway.
Now, isn't that a scary thought... talk about outsourcing of jobs...
Additionally, AE simply cannot provide a competitive quality product to that of other mainle operators, Southwest or Jet Blue which is what they'd have to eventually become if the Eagle operation was to morph into anything more then a feeder carrier.
AMR would be taking a REAL gamble with such a scenario. AA will have almost 200 modern 737-800's with decades of life in them, so from a domestic standpoint they're not going to disappear. If AMR wants an Eagle 100 seater operation with a couple of hundred jets, it may be at the expense of their traditional mainline product and that would be seen as a bigger blunder then acquiring TWA under the circumstances it did.
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Trust me, I dont' want to see a bigger Eagle either... I just think the bean counters have finally found a way around scope that can allow them to do what they want, and drive the stock prices up at the same time.
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Ya it would be as successful as Song, TED, Shuttle..etc, i know some
of these dopes love to keep making the same mistakes, but I think that mistaken was beaten like a dead horse. Also lets not forget ACA, I think RJ low cost operations as well have been seen as a failure. I think the economy in 2011 will pickup and Eagle will be low on AAs scope, esp with all the madness going on regionally, ie XJ/ASA nd COL/PINC.
of these dopes love to keep making the same mistakes, but I think that mistaken was beaten like a dead horse. Also lets not forget ACA, I think RJ low cost operations as well have been seen as a failure. I think the economy in 2011 will pickup and Eagle will be low on AAs scope, esp with all the madness going on regionally, ie XJ/ASA nd COL/PINC.
And what exactly has been AMR managements style the past 75 years... keep the labor groups fighting eachother... I disagree with your evaluation; this is EXATLY the type of thing they would do.
Last time I checked, of the three carriers you just named... Eagle, Southwest, and jetBlue... the only one with a first class seating section was... Eagle. The lack of competativeness is directly attributable to the small size of the Eagle aircraft. If spun into their own company they could start taking deliveries of A320's tomorrow... or, like Southwest just did, Eagle could BUY an existing A320 operator... for example, like JB who just switched to Sabre recently and is already getting cozy with AMR.
Trust me, I dont' want to see a bigger Eagle either... I just think the bean counters have finally found a way around scope that can allow them to do what they want, and drive the stock prices up at the same time.
Last time I checked, of the three carriers you just named... Eagle, Southwest, and jetBlue... the only one with a first class seating section was... Eagle. The lack of competativeness is directly attributable to the small size of the Eagle aircraft. If spun into their own company they could start taking deliveries of A320's tomorrow... or, like Southwest just did, Eagle could BUY an existing A320 operator... for example, like JB who just switched to Sabre recently and is already getting cozy with AMR.
Trust me, I dont' want to see a bigger Eagle either... I just think the bean counters have finally found a way around scope that can allow them to do what they want, and drive the stock prices up at the same time.
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I attended the LEC 83 meeting last night. A couple of points that people should know concerning the divesture of Eagle. First, the new Eagle will not own the aircraft, i.e.. AMR will retain the titles to our current fleet. Second, AMR will retain the name American Eagle. Third, the new CEO does not have a business plan for the new Eagle as of yet. At least one that he is willing to share with our MEC.
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I attended the LEC 83 meeting last night. A couple of points that people should know concerning the divesture of Eagle. First, the new Eagle will not own the aircraft, i.e.. AMR will retain the titles to our current fleet. Second, AMR will retain the name American Eagle. Third, the new CEO does not have a business plan for the new Eagle as of yet. At least one that he is willing to share with our MEC.
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I attended the LEC 83 meeting last night. A couple of points that people should know concerning the divesture of Eagle. First, the new Eagle will not own the aircraft, i.e.. AMR will retain the titles to our current fleet. Second, AMR will retain the name American Eagle. Third, the new CEO does not have a business plan for the new Eagle as of yet. At least one that he is willing to share with our MEC.
You guys keep spreading the fear, the next thing, they wont be able to hire enough pilots and AMR decide to give our flying away just like they did in the past.
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RJ, I did not realize that posting what was said at a LEC open meeting was fear mongering. The intent of my post was to disseminate information. What does it matter how long I have been at Eagle? Your time at Eagle certainly has not benefit you of a coherent thought. You may want to proof read your posts next time.
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