Ncc
1820
nfc
2851
occ
1832
ofc
2853
dce
1728
dfe
2842
jce
1862
jfe
2800
lce
1359
lfe
2782
mce
1806
mfe
2848
nce
1596
nfe
2631
oce
1805
ofe
2854
dca
1678
dfa
2857
mca
1853
mfa
2856
sca
1629
sfa
2806

 

I thought the bid before this one had a sept 05 captain award. If so, on this bid, the most junior was an aug 05...?

 

Your pretty caught up in what kind of car you drive huh?

 

Why does it matter to ya?

 

The bid before this had 9/13/04 as most junior DOH for a CA, now it is at aug 05. Jumped almost 1 year in 1 bid.

 

The other union contracts may or may not prohibit interline agreements. However, they will not standby and have over half of their jobs outsourced to other carriers. International codeshares are one thing, turning over all domestic (which is essentially what giving up unlimited 70+ seaters will do) won't happen. The mainline employees are done giving. The pilots will lead the way and the rest will join. They don't have a choice. It is either take a stand or the unemployment line. If this is truly AMRs plan then they will go into the history books of another failed airline.

 

NERD, I wish that you're right since anything they do will only hurt the mainline employees. The problem I see is that they already have 135 interline agreements worldwide, not including codeshares. Here in the US they have interline or codesharing with several airlines already, from Alaska on the west coast to jetBlue on the east coast. So, for them to expand the interline agreements isn't somethign ANY of the AMR unions currently could stop since it already has been going on for a long long time establishing precedent. What is new, is the transfer of slots and routes to an interline provider like thay have done with jetBlue. The most recent was the announcement that the BOS-SFO transcon being given to jetBlue from mainline.... it was announced weeks ago, and nothing is in the works to even try to stop it... and why? because they know they can't. AMR has found a way around the scope issues and will continue to expand their interline agreements. They will cease serving a route by claiming it isn't profitable enough, and a month or so later an interline provider will begin flying the route. This is exactly what they have been doing with Eagle and jetBlue the past few months. Having Eagle stop flying the route due to profitability (or so they say) and then having jetBlue fly the route on the interline agreement.

The big question is, are they doing this as an end run around scope to establish precedent so they can spin Eagle off and do the same with them that they have done with jetBlue... or are they mearly eliminating overlapping routes between all three carriers so as to avoid any antitrust issues in the event of a merger?

Lot's to think about...

 

Mason I see what you are getting at. If it's true, that's pretty smart on AMRs part to use interline with Eagle instead of scope restricted code share. In a stock split, like they are talking about, the same share holders who own AMR would own eagle stock. The same people get the same amount of money, regardless if it's a codeshare or interline. In deed lots to think about.

 

I think it is the merger scenario. In the long run it gives them more gates at jfk, eliminates a competitor(ala luv/critter) and more importantly makes them a serious competitor/threat to Delta and Ual. Right now AA has been spinning their wheels fighting their employees while Delta and Ual are creating mammoth global carriers. Sadly, eagle will probably be shrunk and other subcontractors brought in.

 

Yeah, but will the AMR share holders which will also be AE share holders allow eagle to be spun off just to lose value ontheir AE shares. Could happen, but money talks and .... Walks