Originally Posted by visceral

I agree that for the work we do as pilots, we should get respectable pay, whatever value that is. That is why Colgan fought for and got a union. Hopefully, it will pay off (no pun intended)

You did say "Yes I am getting cranky when I watch pilots that can't dress themselves professionally flying 70 seat aircraft with my paint while I sit and wait for recall." So it does seem you leave out those sloppy pilots flying anything bigger. I understand your frustration about being on furlough and hope you can get back to work soon.

Originally Posted by dosbo

It is my opinion that more of the uniform abuse happens at the regional level.

Originally Posted by dosbo

I'm just tired of PROFESSIONAL pilots that don't know how to dress themselves for display in public. Every uniform I owned did come from the designated vendor and was worn in accordance with the FOM guidelines to inclued the POS hat. I did have the pants hemmed and fitted appropriately and even paid to have the jacket fitted so it looked professional. If the lining ripped I had it repaired.

I've had my last uniform hanging in the closet for over two years now because we still have people in this industry willing to work for crappy wages and not willing to wear the company specified uniform which reflects a total lack of discipline, and professionalism.

When one of us looks unprofessional it leaves an impression in the passengers minds that lasts. When passengers get the impression that we are juveniles, that we can't even dress professionally then they have no reason to expect us to be compensated professionally.

In my opinion the bottom line is if you can't have a uniform fitted and wear it properly then perhaps you shouldn't be a professional pilot, or perhaps your not paid enough to be a professional pilot which is the real problem. When you choose to disregard the FOM in something so simple as uniform wear it makes me wonder what other parts of the FOM are you willing to disregard so you can play pilot for shltty wages.

If you have a uniform question at your airline, find the most professional looking pilot at your company and ask him how he got his uniform to look so good. There's your helpful uniform advice. If the entire pilot group doesn't look professional then the public impression of your pilot group will be that they are all unprofessional which in turn reflects on all of us in the professional pilot group inderectly.

Yes I am getting cranky when I watch pilots that can't dress themselves professionally flying 70 seat aircraft with my paint while I sit and wait for recall. I'm going to go crawl back in the hole where I live now. Have a nice career, err I mean job.

Originally Posted by kalyx522

I got the initial set from M&H. Hat, blazer, coat, 2 pants. Hat is bad quality and too big like a satellite dish, didn't know it wasn't required otherwise I wouldn't have wasted the $70. If I had to buy a new hat I would get the Premier ones from their own website. Blazer is way overpriced and poorly cut, but the pants cut is worse. That said, I always stick to uniform pants when wearing the blazer so that the color matches. Otherwise, in the warmer weather when I don't wear the blazer I wear navy wool suit pants that I buy on my own. A bit more expensive than uniform pants but they look so much better.

I've tried shirts from 4-5 companies. Stuck with Van Heusen until I realized M&H actually has good shirts. Quality is much better than any of the others. VHs have a pinkish tinge, just put em side by side with MHs and you'll see. And they pill because they more polyester in them.

Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate

Okay, I have the black leather jacket from another company which is within uniform standard. So, I can lay off buying the blazer for now and look to buy more comfortable pants at a reasonable price correct? The hat isnt that bad "prevents me from having to brush my hair"

Basically, all I would need to order in indoc would be the shirts, hat and maybe 1 pair of pants or is there an allotment given to use towards your uniform? One thing T.P. said was to get all my measurments prior to showing up. Could this be due to change in unifom?

Originally Posted by Stringer

In my opinion, M&H runs their sizes small. I told them I've been a 34" pants size in every make of pants I own for the last few years and I couldn't even get theirs over my thighs! Their response: 'everyone else measures their waist size incorrectly, M&H does it right. Send yours back, pay the restocking fee and postage then we'll send you a bigger size'.... Felt like I was scammed and called fat

Originally Posted by Stringer

You order the uniforms on the first day of indoc and there are no uniforms to 'sample', this is why they want you to have your measurements with you.

In my opinion, M&H runs their sizes small. I told them I've been a 34" pants size in every make of pants I own for the last few years and I couldn't even get theirs over my thighs! Their response: 'everyone else measures their waist size incorrectly, M&H does it right. Send yours back, pay the restocking fee and postage then we'll send you a bigger size'.... Felt like I was scammed and called fat

Originally Posted by kalyx522

No allotment for new hires, you have to wait one year. They do let you payroll deduct at a rate of $50/paycheck I think. So yes, shirts tie and pants unless you want pants from elsewhere. Hat - like I said and all here who have seen both will agree - Premier hats look so much better. And since you asked, the majority wear blazer.