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Old 12-27-2010 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipChelios
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Actually...Colgan has had contractual rights to certain markets out of LGA for US Airways for years. They occasionally lease out those routes which are currenty covered by Peidmont. Since the master plan of merging Colgan and Mesaba are slowly coming together, the flying is going to Mesaba since they will have plenty of Saabs available to handle the flying.

Regardless, they money made ends up in the same pockets!
I have no argument with the way you write it. Just that at the beginning there was some talk that it was a Colgan Airlines expansion. You know the confusion with the whole Colgan certificate and name disappearing stuff.

I have no dispute as to whom got the flying for Mesaba but the spirit of my statement was the planes were coming to Mesaba not Colgan. Maybe this guy can get work for all the B+'s and 100 Q's.
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Old 01-29-2011 | 07:25 AM
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So what happens to Mesaba when (if) the Delta DC swap gets approved? Will they get flying out of DC/PHL/CLT? I'm not sure of the logistics of their contract with US Airways.
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Old 02-08-2011 | 06:04 AM
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is LGA hard to get at Mesaba, how about IAD?
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Old 02-08-2011 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
is LGA hard to get at Mesaba, how about IAD?
The FO spots in LGA are going to the bottom of the list currently. That may change when the seniority list integration goes through.
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Old 02-09-2011 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by theHub
So what happens to Mesaba when (if) the Delta DC swap gets approved? Will they get flying out of DC/PHL/CLT? I'm not sure of the logistics of their contract with US Airways.
PNCL Corp says the contract is only for 1 year. Depending on the profitability of the markets, of course. I predict that they will trim some markets after a couple months, just like they did with Colgan.

The flying is pro-rate/at risk. If the slot seat goes through I doubt there is much need for these aircraft- hence why Colgan no longer serves the markets. We would still be there if the slot swap was not mentioned.
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Old 02-09-2011 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
The flying is pro-rate/at risk. If the slot seat goes through I doubt there is much need for these aircraft- hence why Colgan no longer serves the markets. We would still be there if the slot swap was not mentioned.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Too risky for Colgan (with cheap a$$ operating costs), so that's why Mesaba is doing it instead. Sure...
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Old 02-10-2011 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew_VT
That makes no sense whatsoever. Too risky for Colgan (with cheap a$$ operating costs), so that's why Mesaba is doing it instead. Sure...
Colgan pulled out of some of these markets in September 2008 due to high fuel cost and low revenue. (SYR, PVD to name a few)

When the slot swap was announced Colgan prematurely pulled out of the last 3 markets (ITH, MHT and CHO). They did this in early Jan 10 because historically the revenue declines for those markets in the winter.

Now, unless there is higher connect incentives, yes it is risky. What we should be prepared for is Mesaba pulling out of markets with poor loads. IAD comes to mind and PVD. Pinnacle Corp. has shown time and time again they will not hesitate to pull out of an under performing pro-rate city.

What is so hard to believe Andrew?
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Old 02-11-2011 | 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
What is so hard to believe Andrew?
Thanks for the background info. It just seems counter-intuitive to have Mesaba instead of colgan perform at risk flying because of 'risk'. The same risk is still there, just now there are higher operating costs.

At least it looks like we are gearing up in good time for the busier travel season though.
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Old 02-11-2011 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Andrew_VT
Thanks for the background info. It just seems counter-intuitive to have Mesaba instead of colgan perform at risk flying because of 'risk'. The same risk is still there, just now there are higher operating costs.

At least it looks like we are gearing up in good time for the busier travel season though.
I am not so sure it has much to do with crew costs as much as crew availability. We have SAAB crews NOW. Colgan is behind on training, don't have enough staff now, and not really able to take on new flying.

I think with the performance numbers Colgan has, it's better to staff adequately at more per hour cost than just take a contract and then fail because you don't have enough bodies.
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