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The Juice 12-22-2010 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by gonyon (Post 920229)
reserve will pay 4 only if you are activated. so if you are on reserve and get a dh to somewhere worth 35min current book, you will be 4 hours.

Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

Kellwolf 12-22-2010 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 920281)
Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?


I'm gonna say probably only if they use you until I read the contract language. Min days off for reserves are 11, so you'll never see more days off than that. Which means, in a 30 day month, you'll work 19 days. 19x4=76 hours of credit. 80 in a 31 day bid period. I'd laugh all the way to the bank if reserves were guaranteed to go over 75 hours a month, which is why I doubt it'll be written that way.

gonyon 12-22-2010 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 920281)
Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

ask NH or BN. that was the way i understood it when explained. Reserve at home is not considered with this rule.

WIPilot 12-22-2010 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 920281)
Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

if it is similar to how mesaba runs min day currently, reserves do not receive it unless you receive a flying assignment or ready reserve.

The Juice 12-22-2010 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by WIPilot (Post 920339)
if it is similar to how mesaba runs min day currently, reserves do not receive it unless you receive a flying assignment or ready reserve.

Thanks for the clarification

Avroman 12-22-2010 09:14 PM

Home reserve is NOT considered duty, simply it is not considered rest per Whitlow rule. That is how reserves have a defined usable duty day. But also since the loss of build up reserve with the bankruptcy don't get paid over guarantee in most cases.

Kellwolf 12-23-2010 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 920363)
Home reserve is NOT considered duty, simply it is not considered rest per Whitlow rule. That is how reserves have a defined usable duty day. But also since the loss of build up reserve with the bankruptcy don't get paid over guarantee in most cases.

This is something I need to get clarified at the road show. Assuming the contract says something like "The pilot will not exceed 14 hours scheduled including reserve duty" under the short call reserve section, that sounds to me like if I start home reserve at 7 am, then I'm done by 9 pm if they use me for something.

higney85 12-23-2010 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Kellwolf (Post 920565)
This is something I need to get clarified at the road show. Assuming the contract says something like "The pilot will not exceed 14 hours scheduled including reserve duty" under the short call reserve section, that sounds to me like if I start home reserve at 7 am, then I'm done by 9 pm if they use me for something.

Yea. 14 hours period. That means if you are on RSV for 4 hours and they call you, you still have to be done in the 14 hour period. That can go out to 15 hours MAX, but that would have to be due to MX of WX. You could have just texted!

WIPilot 12-23-2010 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 920363)
Home reserve is NOT considered duty, simply it is not considered rest per Whitlow rule. That is how reserves have a defined usable duty day. But also since the loss of build up reserve with the bankruptcy don't get paid over guarantee in most cases.

I disagree with this. Reserves start their duty at the contactable period per the contract as I read it. Rest can always be modified (ie under the idea that it is not duty, they could use you as long as they wanted then just modify your rest.) That just isnt the case though.

Kellwolf 12-23-2010 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 920571)
Yea. 14 hours period. That means if you are on RSV for 4 hours and they call you, you still have to be done in the 14 hour period. That can go out to 15 hours MAX, but that would have to be due to MX of WX. You could have just texted!

Eh, true. I knew there was a call today, so I figured I'd just ask JA about it. Problem solved.

Now....about that transparency on the extensions/JMs...... :)


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