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Washout 12-25-2010 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 921169)
actually looking at my payscale for this TA, I will be making MORE than the Chuck Yeagers of the regional world. Guess that makes me Neil Armstrong?

Straight payrates can be very misleading. A friend of mine passed on a compensation comparison including 401k, scheduling, vacation, sick time accrual, soft time etc. It was very dramatic the difference in total compensation.

One thing they all had in common is that we are suckers and being compensated far too little for our time.

Bartok 12-25-2010 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 921169)
actually looking at my payscale for this TA, I will be making MORE than the Chuck Yeagers of the regional world. Guess that makes me Neil Armstrong?

You'll always be a Hoover to me mooney, lol

mooney 12-25-2010 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 921200)
Straight payrates can be very misleading. A friend of mine passed on a compensation comparison including 401k, scheduling, vacation, sick time accrual, soft time etc. It was very dramatic the difference in total compensation.

One thing they all had in common is that we are suckers and being compensated far too little for our time.

you're preaching to the choir, bro. Washout ;)
There's a few haters that don't understand that though

CAPTAINPCL 12-25-2010 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 921113)
The CRJ-900 junior captain is about to move to May 05 thanks to this just posted Saab Realignment. And it will continue to get MUCH more senior as the Saabs are pulled from the old NWA bases thanks to the loss of the flow through to Delta.
What the junior LGA SF340 captain hire date will be? Who knows but I'm guessing it will be pretty junior.

Just out of curiosity, did you guys at Mesaba really think the flow was going to stick around once the merger with Delta was complete?

Avroman 12-25-2010 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 921212)
Just out of curiosity, did you guys at Mesaba really think the flow was going to stick around once the merger with Delta was complete?

Personally nope, and I also didn't figure Delta would keep the Saabs around long term either. All the more why I thought the merger would be bad for us.

TeddyKGB 12-25-2010 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by CAPTAINPCL (Post 921212)
Just out of curiosity, did you guys at Mesaba really think the flow was going to stick around once the merger with Delta was complete?

The flow thru is still alive. Delta could have killed it on the spot but they didn't, they chose to extend the offer. XJ pilots will continue to flow up for a couple more years.

dojetdriver 12-25-2010 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 921071)
Also the ASA contract isn't superior to the expressjet contract in many ways. There should be no reason that nearly every aspect of the new contract isn't better than each of the two existing contracts.

Good luck

Agreed. Not a peeing contest, but doing a side by side comparison the ASA CBA only has 2 or 3 small items that surpass the XJT CBA.


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 921090)
I do not have XJT's current, concessionary agreement; perhaps some XJT pilot here could share it since knowledge is power and all that.]

Check your email, the revised CBA that has the corrected LOA/MOU language as well as a file with the concessionary rates is being sent to you.

BoilerUP 12-25-2010 06:34 PM

Thanks to dojet...XJT's current CBA:

Contract 2004 MOU19.pdf

LOA 9 payrates.pdf

cencal83406 12-25-2010 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 921264)
The flow thru is still alive. Delta could have killed it on the spot but they didn't, they chose to extend the offer. XJ pilots will continue to flow up for a couple more years.

lol. Now we know you're full of it, Mr. "Delta" pilot.... yeah right.

The flow through, unfortunately, doesn't extend to all the pilots on the Mesaba Pilot's seniority list, thanks to some nice moves by the Delta MEC... like voting to split them off.

higney85 12-26-2010 05:30 AM

From my understanding DL cut off the flow but allowed all those who had already met the minimums and submitted for flow prior to 7/1/10 (purchase date) to flow. That was around 108 pilots. So those who truly wanted DL prior to the merger got it, those who went "reactionary" on the news missed.


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