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Old 12-26-2010 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
From my understanding DL cut off the flow but allowed all those who had already met the minimums and submitted for flow prior to 7/1/10 (purchase date) to flow. That was around 108 pilots. So those who truly wanted DL prior to the merger got it, those who went "reactionary" on the news missed.
I met a CA who was part of the flow, then not...

seemed like he got really shafted - he told me that in 05 he interviewed at NWA and right around then is when they started getting flow so the interview board said "we'll put your stuff to the side, we don't want to mess with the seniority and get you here out of order".... now of course, he's not part of the flow, and not a Delta pilot.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by higney85
From my understanding DL cut off the flow but allowed all those who had already met the minimums and submitted for flow prior to 7/1/10 (purchase date) to flow. That was around 108 pilots. So those who truly wanted DL prior to the merger got it, those who went "reactionary" on the news missed.

Not quite. They chose to allow those that "had a reasonable expectation" to be grandfathered. That is the exact wording used. They decided that would consist of those that could go within the next year (sort of) 9 per month X 12 months = 108 pilots. They put a hook on it though because instead of it being the next 108 that chose to go they looked 108 names down the list and said these are the ones grandfathered wheather all 108 take it or only 50 do, that is it. We will not be flowing all 108. There ARE a lot of us that wanted to go but are left out in the cold. In fact the further you went down the seniority list the more yes bids there were. Better than nothing, I suppose but still a slap in the face to a lot of us. Really doesn't motivate us to go out of the way for our, er I mean DELTA'S passengers.

We did have a few people turn down the flow to NWA that after the merger were arguing to start the flow over from the top for Delta. They didn't get the choice to go to Delta as the flow was a one and done deal. Once someone junior flowed you were locked out. If nobody junior had gone you could still change your bid one way or the other. That did not change with the merger. And the cutoff point at the merger was about 125 on the list at that time.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
lol. Now we know you're full of it, Mr. "Delta" pilot.... yeah right.

The flow through, unfortunately, doesn't extend to all the pilots on the Mesaba Pilot's seniority list, thanks to some nice moves by the Delta MEC... like voting to split them off.
There are still nearly 80 Mesaba pilots who are eligible to flow up to Delta. At 9 pilots per class, that means the next 9 Delta new hire classes will contain Mesaba flow up pilots. Again, the flow is alive for a couple more years.

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Old 12-26-2010 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Check your email, the revised CBA that has the corrected LOA/MOU language as well as a file with the concessionary rates is being sent to you.
If you have the up to date document, it should have the concessionary rates already incorporated into it.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067

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Old 12-26-2010 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ebl14

"Mr Delta Pilot" was sarcasm because that is what the guy called me. Sorry you were to dull to pick up on that.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cencal83406
I met a CA who was part of the flow, then not...

seemed like he got really shafted - he told me that in 05 he interviewed at NWA and right around then is when they started getting flow so the interview board said "we'll put your stuff to the side, we don't want to mess with the seniority and get you here out of order".... now of course, he's not part of the flow, and not a Delta pilot.
Someone was blowing smoke up your butt if they said they interviewed in 05.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Someone was blowing smoke up your butt if they said they interviewed in 05.
I'm guessing he remembered incorrectly and the guy actually told him '07 or '08 because that IS actually what NWA HR was telling people that were applying to the airlines with flow. "You have to wait for your flow spot." Or, if someone was in class at say Compass or Mesaba, and later called for a NWA interview, too late -- they are at Compass/Mesaba and cannot even interview at NWA.
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Old 12-26-2010 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by contrails
I'm guessing he remembered incorrectly and the guy actually told him '07 or '08 because that IS actually what NWA HR was telling people that were applying to the airlines with flow. "You have to wait for your flow spot." Or, if someone was in class at say Compass or Mesaba, and later called for a NWA interview, too late -- they are at Compass/Mesaba and cannot even interview at NWA.
You're a bit off here on the flow thing.

He had more of a chance than the guys at Pinnacle. Why? NW wouldnt hire anyone from Pinnacle either despite them not having a flow.

It had nothing to do with the flow, it had to do with being a NW feeder.
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