MES/CJC/PCL TA Summary
12-24-2010 | 05:49 PM
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12-24-2010 | 08:37 PM
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Alright, I'll bite "flame-daddy". ASA right?
Will someone from ASA please educate us poor peons on what your golden contract contains so that we can strive to be as high and mighty as the ones called "assey"?
Here I'll help you out:
Your payrates are better, not extremely better but better.
What else beyond that?
Better scope protections than this TA?
More than 11 days off a month? (not bragging just asking)
Block or better with leg by leg guarantees?
4 hour min day?
A whole host of scheduling provisions that force the company to staff accordingly and not use junior manning as a staffing model?
Pilots creating the pairings to be put into PBS?
Is your 401k matching that superior?
Health insurance cheaper and more coverage?
Please, please tell me what I need to be striving for since it's what you already have.
Will someone from ASA please educate us poor peons on what your golden contract contains so that we can strive to be as high and mighty as the ones called "assey"?
Here I'll help you out:
Your payrates are better, not extremely better but better.
What else beyond that?
Better scope protections than this TA?
More than 11 days off a month? (not bragging just asking)
Block or better with leg by leg guarantees?
4 hour min day?
A whole host of scheduling provisions that force the company to staff accordingly and not use junior manning as a staffing model?
Pilots creating the pairings to be put into PBS?
Is your 401k matching that superior?
Health insurance cheaper and more coverage?
Please, please tell me what I need to be striving for since it's what you already have.
I'm not an acey but I'll definitely be fighting for a superior contract then we have now. Also the ASA contract isn't superior to the expressjet contract in many ways. There should be no reason that nearly every aspect of the new contract isn't better than each of the two existing contracts.
Good luck
12-24-2010 | 09:10 PM
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I didn't mean it as a jab or a mine is better then yours, but from hell you guys have had to deal with you deserve far better. This is a step in the right direction but it should be better then it is. They're hoping that you jump at the first one so they don't have give you more...they can afford more.
I'm not an acey but I'll definitely be fighting for a superior contract then we have now. Also the ASA contract isn't superior to the expressjet contract in many ways. There should be no reason that nearly every aspect of the new contract isn't better than each of the two existing contracts.
Good luck
I'm not an acey but I'll definitely be fighting for a superior contract then we have now. Also the ASA contract isn't superior to the expressjet contract in many ways. There should be no reason that nearly every aspect of the new contract isn't better than each of the two existing contracts.
Good luck
But to say this TA is a joke is far off the mark.
Considering how far this TA had to bring up the guys at Colgan and fixing the harsh conditions 9E has been working under, this is a huge step in the right direction.
Im not saying it's perfect, we all have a long way to go, but it's a very solid contract considering the huge hurdle of combining these 3 groups.
The entire strategy of this joint TA was to take the best of what the 3 airlines offered as a merger contract.
It is definetely one of the better contracts in the regionals if ratified.
Alright BoilerUP, you have an expressjet contract up your sleeve?
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12-25-2010 | 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Alright BoilerUP, you have an expressjet contract up your sleeve?
I do have the "original" XJT 2004 CBA: XJT 2004.pdf
And I also have the document from the extension of this contract in 2006 (before concessions): XJT Contract Extention LOA.doc
12-25-2010 | 03:45 AM
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The issue was basing and what planes had vacancys at the time. You get guys in the the SAAB (hating it) and wanting to get a jet. On top of that they did not want to move or commute.
When most of the really senior guy's moved to the 200, DTW and MEM were the only 900 slots open. Then you add the 2 year seat lock...
It certainly isn't scheduling
When most of the really senior guy's moved to the 200, DTW and MEM were the only 900 slots open. Then you add the 2 year seat lock...
It certainly isn't scheduling
12-25-2010 | 04:06 AM
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-900 CA right now is VERY senior (as in seniority numbers 100 or less as of the last vacancy). When we first got them a payrate was still being arbitrated so a good number of folks went to the -900 for an easier commute or just to fly the new jet. Once rates came out pilots went there for more money. Now that there is some movement again the first few slots that have opened for -900 CA have been senior. For -900 FO it's not ridiculously senior but don't even think about holding it as a new hire.
12-25-2010 | 06:20 AM
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The CRJ-900 junior captain is about to move to May 05 thanks to this just posted Saab Realignment. And it will continue to get MUCH more senior as the Saabs are pulled from the old NWA bases thanks to the loss of the flow through to Delta.
What the junior LGA SF340 captain hire date will be? Who knows but I'm guessing it will be pretty junior.
What the junior LGA SF340 captain hire date will be? Who knows but I'm guessing it will be pretty junior.
12-25-2010 | 06:56 AM
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The CRJ-900 junior captain is about to move to May 05 thanks to this just posted Saab Realignment. And it will continue to get MUCH more senior as the Saabs are pulled from the old NWA bases thanks to the loss of the flow through to Delta.
What the junior LGA SF340 captain hire date will be? Who knows but I'm guessing it will be pretty junior.
What the junior LGA SF340 captain hire date will be? Who knows but I'm guessing it will be pretty junior.
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