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12-22-2010 | 06:11 PM

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The Juice

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Originally Posted by gonyon

reserve will pay 4 only if you are activated. so if you are on reserve and get a dh to somewhere worth 35min current book, you will be 4 hours.

Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

12-22-2010 | 06:19 PM

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Kellwolf

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

I'm gonna say probably only if they use you until I read the contract language. Min days off for reserves are 11, so you'll never see more days off than that. Which means, in a 30 day month, you'll work 19 days. 19x4=76 hours of credit. 80 in a 31 day bid period. I'd laugh all the way to the bank if reserves were guaranteed to go over 75 hours a month, which is why I doubt it'll be written that way.

12-22-2010 | 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

ask NH or BN. that was the way i understood it when explained. Reserve at home is not considered with this rule.

12-22-2010 | 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Juice

Are you sure about this? It says 4 hours min pay for any duty scheduled. Wouldn't reserve duty count as such?

if it is similar to how mesaba runs min day currently, reserves do not receive it unless you receive a flying assignment or ready reserve.

12-22-2010 | 08:34 PM

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The Juice

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Originally Posted by WIPilot

if it is similar to how mesaba runs min day currently, reserves do not receive it unless you receive a flying assignment or ready reserve.

Thanks for the clarification

12-22-2010 | 09:14 PM

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Avroman

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Home reserve is NOT considered duty, simply it is not considered rest per Whitlow rule. That is how reserves have a defined usable duty day. But also since the loss of build up reserve with the bankruptcy don't get paid over guarantee in most cases.

12-23-2010 | 10:37 AM

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Kellwolf

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Originally Posted by Avroman

This is something I need to get clarified at the road show. Assuming the contract says something like "The pilot will not exceed 14 hours scheduled including reserve duty" under the short call reserve section, that sounds to me like if I start home reserve at 7 am, then I'm done by 9 pm if they use me for something.

12-23-2010 | 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kellwolf

Yea. 14 hours period. That means if you are on RSV for 4 hours and they call you, you still have to be done in the 14 hour period. That can go out to 15 hours MAX, but that would have to be due to MX of WX. You could have just texted!

12-23-2010 | 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Avroman

I disagree with this. Reserves start their duty at the contactable period per the contract as I read it. Rest can always be modified (ie under the idea that it is not duty, they could use you as long as they wanted then just modify your rest.) That just isnt the case though.

12-23-2010 | 08:32 PM

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Kellwolf

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Originally Posted by higney85

Eh, true. I knew there was a call today, so I figured I'd just ask JA about it. Problem solved.

Now....about that transparency on the extensions/JMs......