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Old 01-24-2011, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr View Post
When you see in the magazine that UniCAL wants to do away the the regionals, are you interpreting that to mean that we want to put all of the regional pilots out of work? If so, you are sadly mistaken.

So much of the domestic flying has been farmed out to feeder carriers for the legacy carriers the future at mainline isn't as bright as it was. We want to bring that flying in house. Do you think that bringing that flying in house will happen with the current number of mainline pilots carriers have? NO. It will require hiring more pilots onto the seniority list. No one is looking to *******w the small-jet pilots. We want to protect and enhance our careers and give opportunities for all of you to be part of that.
There are over 2,000 pilots furloughed from United. If regional pilots were grouped in to mainline pilots, where would the furloughed pilots go......below the regional guys???
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Old 01-24-2011, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by meloveboeing View Post
.....Regionals will stay regionals and mainline will stay mainline and therefore I still think it is better for the Regionals to have their own representation.....
What does it matter who represents who? Does Mainline have any impact on your contract? No. Your contract is with your company and you negotiate it.

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......And yes, our MEC Vice Chairman going to a management position was a big slap in the face to all of us.

Perhaps voting ALPA out now may not be the right move, but we need to get new leadership.
You finally get it. This has nothing to do with ALPA or whatever representative body you have...it has EVERYTHING to do with the quality of people you put in charge of your union and how much energy you yourself put behind them.

Alpa didn't elect your MEC, you did. You upset about what they've done? Do something about it. Get involved.

(meloveboeing, this isn't meant as an attack personally on you. Please don't take it as such. I used "you" in general terms to describe how things work. With your last statement, you (literally 'you' this time) seem to be catching the big picture)

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Old 01-24-2011, 10:16 PM
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may I interject as a former coex pilot? one who was so excited to get hired there in 00 but by 02 I loathed the place. I stuck around hoping for some PIC time which only took til 04. my view of the industry was so tainted that a fedex guy offered to sponsor me in 05 and I declined. so I outright quit the airlines in 05 and never regretted it but glad Delta was scrapping the bottom of the barrel in late 07 because it was the one place I'd go and I'll comeback to that in the last sentence.

anyways yes we grew while cal shrunk but I upgraded junior to my newhire seniority and never complained about 600 furloughed cal pilots. well maybe about the ones with a bad attitude but there were far more i liked than didnt and I cant say that was always true of the know it all Captain that upgraded at 6-8 months. but 8 hr uncommutable 4-days, bitter bill, no cass, all of that sucked. still worked my tail off because i guess i had something to prove to the [insert cuss word] that looked down on us.

if you want to get rid of alpa there its long overdue. you'll have a mess on your hands but you already do.

but the thing about what cal is doing with scope. its needed for so many valid reasons.

there was a tremendous amount of sins from the past and a lot of it was just plain gluttony that manifested itself with the saying "they're paying their dues." its sins committed by mainline pilots that have you stuck where you are and not upgrading or moving out. its their fault, not yours.

you dont get to vote to scope them but they can scope you and thats all you need to know next time some moronic cal guy talks trash floats the notion that you need to scope yourselves because you can tell them to reread their own section 1 and scope their...

and if they shipped 100 735s to you tomorrow its still their doing. fly them, upgrade, apply and run away to somewhere that thinks people matter.

its worth getting to a major, its so much better. its not the same and had i known what i know now i'd probably never quit. stick it out or go get pic time and apply and go.

good luck.

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Old 01-25-2011, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by meloveboeing
As far as the issue of all flying to be done by CO/UA. Well, this came from a couple of pilots I spoke to that were at Express when the jets showed up, and it was actually also confirmed by one management pilot. Management initially offered the EMB 145 to mainline pilots and they turned it down! I am not sure if it was an ego thing, or maybe a pay issue, I actually even read a coment about a mailine pilot not carring to fly a small jet because the pay would be to low. Also, CO pilots were not interested in merging the seniority list between Express and CO. So now they want all the flying back? Yeah, of course I would love to be flying for CO and making more money, there is no doubt that any pilot at XJT would love to be fllying the EMB 145 for CO for more money, but what is the reality of it? Regionals will stay regionals and mainline will stay mainline and therefore I still think it is better for the Regionals to have their own representation.
Remember that way back when all this was going on, being discussed and decided, the majority of us weren't here or involved in that decision. The union was run by the scab cadre and the pilot group here at the time believed what management was selling (the small jets would be used to grow mainline at other cities eventually). The majority of those pilots are now gone since this was way back in 1996-1997 or are no longer running the union. A big portion of the seniority list either came from express type carriers who grew as a result of mainline pilots giving it away or being sold a bill of goods or are now pilots who realize the mistakes from back then.

Is it not possible to learn from mistakes of the past and correct them for the future? I came from a small-jet carrier to Continental. I saw what flying those small-jets does first hand. Now that I am here I want to make sure mainline pilots have job security (ask a UAL pilot) and that we enhance the careers for all current and future pilots to have mainline opportunities. As it stands today I would never recommend this industry to my children let alone anyone else I know.
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Old 01-28-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life View Post
What does it matter who represents who? Does Mainline have any impact on your contract? No. Your contract is with your company and you negotiate it.
Lets say that ALPA signs a contract at mainline that says "if (fill in the blank) happens / doesn't happen, the regionals have to park planes".

If you're at one of their ALPA regionals, ALPA has just negotiated against you. Have they not?
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