86 upgrades at RAH
02-04-2011 | 06:50 AM
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02-04-2011 | 07:45 AM
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Yah i got one of those emails on Monday and had a feeling it was an error or something else 
. Really didn't know what to make of it especially after getting a call from HR offering me the position last week. But now after knowing that everyone else might have got the same email......I'm feeling a bit relieved and much better!
. Really didn't know what to make of it especially after getting a call from HR offering me the position last week. But now after knowing that everyone else might have got the same email......I'm feeling a bit relieved and much better!Nice picture (you're avatar). I miss the long Seattle overnights.
02-04-2011 | 10:34 AM
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Are you former Midwest also? I'm asking because I get the impression that a lot of YXers are going to indoc, and didn't know if they were giving preference to YXers who apply, or cold-calling down the seniority list, or if it was completely by accident. Just curious as to what's going on out there; haven't applied.
Nice picture (you're avatar). I miss the long Seattle overnights.
Nice picture (you're avatar). I miss the long Seattle overnights.
02-05-2011 | 06:59 PM
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From: Left Seat
Hey All,
This is my first time on the forum although I pop in to see what is going on in the industry from time-to-time. I just wanted to get some feedback from the folks who are currently flying for RAH with regards to off the street hiring. I meet all the requirements (ATP, 2700+hrs, current 135 and previous 121) so I applied online. I'm friends with a check airman over there and have a buddy that is a FO in DCA so I know what I am getting myself into. A couple of days ago, however, I received a "thanks but no thanks" e-mail from HR. I'm trying to figure out if you guys are indeed hiring off the street or if you're only hiring the furloughed guys (such as Lynx pilots) that are currently on the street? Any information is greatly appreciated.
This is my first time on the forum although I pop in to see what is going on in the industry from time-to-time. I just wanted to get some feedback from the folks who are currently flying for RAH with regards to off the street hiring. I meet all the requirements (ATP, 2700+hrs, current 135 and previous 121) so I applied online. I'm friends with a check airman over there and have a buddy that is a FO in DCA so I know what I am getting myself into. A couple of days ago, however, I received a "thanks but no thanks" e-mail from HR. I'm trying to figure out if you guys are indeed hiring off the street or if you're only hiring the furloughed guys (such as Lynx pilots) that are currently on the street? Any information is greatly appreciated.
02-05-2011 | 07:25 PM
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From: Light Chop
Say he upgrades at year 1 and hits 1000 TPIC by year 3 and after 3 years of going to every job fair where Delta was he gets an interview which he smokes in a manner similar to how he'd smoke an approach in a white out in a 1900D in nowhere Kansas and he's hired and flies the 320. So let's look at 10 years of his hourly pay from day 1 at Lakes to DAL at year 4 and then on:
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $83, $97, $100, $102, $105, $108.
Now all of that is just going off this year's pay. Remember DAL will negotiate a new contract and each year there will be a raise with it. So let's say they get back to Contract 2000 pay levels and say he flies the 88 /90 and not even the higher paying 320...
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $119, $139, $142, $146, $150, $154
Or he could go to RAH and upgrade at say year 4 and get hired at DAL 3 years after that and probably a good ways into the hiring boom versus having gone 4 or 5 years earlier:
$23, $31, $36, $68, $70, $73, $75, $56 (DAL), $119, $139
So, at 80 hours a month said Great Lakes pilot will over that 10 years will, if Delta falls flat on its face during negotiations, about 5% more than if he did the RAH route or if we get C2K pay then around 42% more. But more importantly, he'll be 4 years senior which if hiring is what it's rumored to be could be as much as 4000 pilots senior.
But as J29 said earlier, there is no way to tell what will happen and whether we'd hire 1000 pilots or 4000 pilots in the span. If we're hiring 1000 a year then you might not be at RAH long either but if the hiring boom is short lived said Great Lakes pilot is at least in the door and has a number while RAH pilot may be stuck at RAH as an FO for years as Captains accumulate years and years worth of TPIC time and then the RAH pilots begins to mumble about it's not so bad here and I make a good living and why would I risk it by going to a legacy and blah blah blah.
All this to say a pilot going to Great Lakes may be the one most looking at pay and benefits and QOL over someone going for $2-$3 more an hour as a jet SIC at RAH, Eagle, XJT, ASA or Skywest.
If I were a recruiter, I'd look at a Great Lakes guy as someone who was gunning to be here yesterday and paid the price for it and that to me is a plus. Sure it's prop time but let's face it, the hardest part about a jet is going from 37,000' to a crossing restriction at 10,000' and I'm sure the guy who spent all day at 240 blowing boots and cycling props while hand flying can figure out how to task manage that descent thing on AP. And besides, while the E-Jet may be one of the best planes flying in the entire industry the 1900D is a man's plane. Even when flown by a woman because she's doing what most men can't.
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02-05-2011 | 07:27 PM
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From: Light Chop
All I can say is be careful who walks your stuff in, that holds true anywhere. He may be a great guy, he may even be a check pilot but that doesn't mean his opinion is respected in HR. You wouldn't be the first person I've heard of not getting the invite because the guy who recommended you isn't buried in someones rectum in HR.
02-06-2011 | 06:06 AM
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From: E-170/175 FO
Now all of that is just going off this year's pay. Remember DAL will negotiate a new contract and each year there will be a raise with it. So let's say they get back to Contract 2000 pay levels and say he flies the 88 /90 and not even the higher paying 320...
$23, $31, $36, $68, $70, $73, $75, $56 (DAL), $119, $139
$23, $31, $36, $68, $70, $73, $75, $56 (DAL), $119, $139
02-06-2011 | 07:17 AM
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Actually maybe he does.
Say he upgrades at year 1 and hits 1000 TPIC by year 3 and after 3 years of going to every job fair where Delta was he gets an interview which he smokes in a manner similar to how he'd smoke an approach in a white out in a 1900D in nowhere Kansas and he's hired and flies the 320. So let's look at 10 years of his hourly pay from day 1 at Lakes to DAL at year 4 and then on:
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $83, $97, $100, $102, $105, $108.
Now all of that is just going off this year's pay. Remember DAL will negotiate a new contract and each year there will be a raise with it. So let's say they get back to Contract 2000 pay levels and say he flies the 88 /90 and not even the higher paying 320...
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $119, $139, $142, $146, $150, $154
Or he could go to RAH and upgrade at say year 4 and get hired at DAL 3 years after that and probably a good ways into the hiring boom versus having gone 4 or 5 years earlier:
$23, $31, $36, $68, $70, $73, $75, $56 (DAL), $119, $139
So, at 80 hours a month said Great Lakes pilot will over that 10 years will, if Delta falls flat on its face during negotiations, about 5% more than if he did the RAH route or if we get C2K pay then around 42% more. But more importantly, he'll be 4 years senior which if hiring is what it's rumored to be could be as much as 4000 pilots senior.
But as J29 said earlier, there is no way to tell what will happen and whether we'd hire 1000 pilots or 4000 pilots in the span. If we're hiring 1000 a year then you might not be at RAH long either but if the hiring boom is short lived said Great Lakes pilot is at least in the door and has a number while RAH pilot may be stuck at RAH as an FO for years as Captains accumulate years and years worth of TPIC time and then the RAH pilots begins to mumble about it's not so bad here and I make a good living and why would I risk it by going to a legacy and blah blah blah.
All this to say a pilot going to Great Lakes may be the one most looking at pay and benefits and QOL over someone going for $2-$3 more an hour as a jet SIC at RAH, Eagle, XJT, ASA or Skywest.
If I were a recruiter, I'd look at a Great Lakes guy as someone who was gunning to be here yesterday and paid the price for it and that to me is a plus. Sure it's prop time but let's face it, the hardest part about a jet is going from 37,000' to a crossing restriction at 10,000' and I'm sure the guy who spent all day at 240 blowing boots and cycling props while hand flying can figure out how to task manage that descent thing on AP. And besides, while the E-Jet may be one of the best planes flying in the entire industry the 1900D is a man's plane. Even when flown by a woman because she's doing what most men can't.
Say he upgrades at year 1 and hits 1000 TPIC by year 3 and after 3 years of going to every job fair where Delta was he gets an interview which he smokes in a manner similar to how he'd smoke an approach in a white out in a 1900D in nowhere Kansas and he's hired and flies the 320. So let's look at 10 years of his hourly pay from day 1 at Lakes to DAL at year 4 and then on:
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $83, $97, $100, $102, $105, $108.
Now all of that is just going off this year's pay. Remember DAL will negotiate a new contract and each year there will be a raise with it. So let's say they get back to Contract 2000 pay levels and say he flies the 88 /90 and not even the higher paying 320...
$16, $29, $30, $56 (Delta), $119, $139, $142, $146, $150, $154
Or he could go to RAH and upgrade at say year 4 and get hired at DAL 3 years after that and probably a good ways into the hiring boom versus having gone 4 or 5 years earlier:
$23, $31, $36, $68, $70, $73, $75, $56 (DAL), $119, $139
So, at 80 hours a month said Great Lakes pilot will over that 10 years will, if Delta falls flat on its face during negotiations, about 5% more than if he did the RAH route or if we get C2K pay then around 42% more. But more importantly, he'll be 4 years senior which if hiring is what it's rumored to be could be as much as 4000 pilots senior.
But as J29 said earlier, there is no way to tell what will happen and whether we'd hire 1000 pilots or 4000 pilots in the span. If we're hiring 1000 a year then you might not be at RAH long either but if the hiring boom is short lived said Great Lakes pilot is at least in the door and has a number while RAH pilot may be stuck at RAH as an FO for years as Captains accumulate years and years worth of TPIC time and then the RAH pilots begins to mumble about it's not so bad here and I make a good living and why would I risk it by going to a legacy and blah blah blah.
All this to say a pilot going to Great Lakes may be the one most looking at pay and benefits and QOL over someone going for $2-$3 more an hour as a jet SIC at RAH, Eagle, XJT, ASA or Skywest.
If I were a recruiter, I'd look at a Great Lakes guy as someone who was gunning to be here yesterday and paid the price for it and that to me is a plus. Sure it's prop time but let's face it, the hardest part about a jet is going from 37,000' to a crossing restriction at 10,000' and I'm sure the guy who spent all day at 240 blowing boots and cycling props while hand flying can figure out how to task manage that descent thing on AP. And besides, while the E-Jet may be one of the best planes flying in the entire industry the 1900D is a man's plane. Even when flown by a woman because she's doing what most men can't.
Awesome post, Forgot2bid !!
Should be required reading for all kids with SJS in class right now.
121/PIC/turbine in all kinds of weather, 8-legs a day, with a cockpit that has "inop" placards everywhere...and you didn't kill anyone or get "violated by the FAA" (pun intended)...I'd think that matters more to a recruiter...
unless you're a real toolbag.
02-06-2011 | 08:34 AM
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From: EMB-145 CA
sounds all well and good until you realize the fact you are making 15-16 k a year with student loans coming due. At some point pilots have to stop accepting jobs like that until the pay gets to livable. I'm all for paying dues, but you shouldn't have to get turned upside-down financially to possibly get ahead. there needs o be upward pressure from the bottom as far as pay goes. No matter how desperate you are, you need to be willing to make more as a greeter at WalMart than to allow people to make money off of your crap wages.
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