Originally Posted by jayray2
(Post 949653)
I'd like to look over some of these vast amounts of historical data on Regional SLIs. Do you have some examples? I don't want to see any Legacy/Major examples, we are playing a different game.
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Originally Posted by Cruise
(Post 949603)
Considering your posting history on these merger threads, I don't value your opinion....at all. But hey, thanks for playing.
I'm just opining on an open forum much the same as everyone else, take it or leave it. I do get a kick out of the people who really do have the best interest of the pilot group at heart. They're the ones who are most full of ****. See ya on the line. |
Originally Posted by AxialFlow
(Post 949937)
And yet you felt the need to respond? I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way...merely pointing out that it was an empty statement. Why, one might ask? Because I just want what's best for the pilot group, too.;)
I'm just opining on an open forum much the same as everyone else, take it or leave it. I do get a kick out of the people who really do have the best interest of the pilot group at heart. They're the ones who are most full of ****. See ya on the line. So yeah, I do feel the need to comment and call shenanigans on your last post. It certainly seems now, and then, wanted what's best for you and you alone. Or, did you suddenly have a change of heart/ opinion? ;) |
Originally Posted by jayray2
(Post 949653)
I'd like to look over some of these vast amounts of historical data on Regional SLIs. Do you have some examples? I don't want to see any Legacy/Major examples, we are playing a different game.
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
(Post 950784)
How is it a "different game?" They were all separate companies that flew airplanes coming together into one company that flies airplanes. Or are you just saying that every regional only has the career expectations of "getting hired at a major?" Personally, I don't see how a Saab/Q400/CRJ-900 would be seen any differently than a DC-9/737/757 in a seniority list integration scenario. Regionals have some pilots that are lifers, majors have some pilots that will leave before they retire for a different airline. I'm not seeing how the two are so vastly different.
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
(Post 950784)
How is it a "different game?" They were all separate companies that flew airplanes coming together into one company that flies airplanes. Or are you just saying that every regional only has the career expectations of "getting hired at a major?" Personally, I don't see how a Saab/Q400/CRJ-900 would be seen any differently than a DC-9/737/757 in a seniority list integration scenario. Regionals have some pilots that are lifers, majors have some pilots that will leave before they retire for a different airline. I'm not seeing how the two are so vastly different.
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Why should someone who does not have a job be put above someone who does have a job?
Thats a windfall. Windfalls aren't going to happen. All that aside, Mesaba furloughs were going farther and farther from having jobs too. With more and more furloughs put above them. Mesaba was going to be a shrinking airline with lots of furloughs, downgrades, and displacements. When you look at career future at the 3 airlines, Mesaba has the least to claim. Even by stapling Mesaba, this merger and SLI would still be saving a lot of their jobs. The most fair and equitable SLI is one in which nobody gains anything over anyone else. If you are currently at the bottom of a list and out of a job, any change from that is a gain. That gain comes at someone else's expense. If I were a Mesaba furlough, I'd be thrilled so far, seeing as how I'm going to get to come back to work. Anything more than that should not be expected. |
I have actually flown with a few FOs that say they came here as a lifer. Granted they also are mid life career changers (have pensions, and don't really need the money) that are too old to realistically have any chance to move on to a major.
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Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 950944)
Why should someone who does not have a job be put above someone who does have a job?
Thats a windfall. Windfalls aren't going to happen. All that aside, Mesaba furloughs were going farther and farther from having jobs too. With more and more furloughs put above them. Mesaba was going to be a shrinking airline with lots of furloughs, downgrades, and displacements. When you look at career future at the 3 airlines, Mesaba has the least to claim. Even by stapling Mesaba, this merger and SLI would still be saving a lot of their jobs. The most fair and equitable SLI is one in which nobody gains anything over anyone else. If you are currently at the bottom of a list and out of a job, any change from that is a gain. That gain comes at someone else's expense. If I were a Mesaba furlough, I'd be thrilled so far, seeing as how I'm going to get to come back to work. Anything more than that should not be expected. I am a Pinnacle pilot and I would LOVE to see furloughs get the spot that they had when they were on the list at Mesaba. Sure, it's a big boost, but it'd be great to establish precedent. FYI - as far as I know, the Mesaba furloughees that are sitting at the bottom of the Pinnacle list right now are making the pay based off of their longevity at Mesaba (unaffected by furlough, in other words)... |
Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 950944)
Why should someone who does not have a job be put above someone who does have a job?
Thats a windfall. Windfalls aren't going to happen. All that aside, Mesaba furloughs were going farther and farther from having jobs too. With more and more furloughs put above them. Mesaba was going to be a shrinking airline with lots of furloughs, downgrades, and displacements. When you look at career future at the 3 airlines, Mesaba has the least to claim. Even by stapling Mesaba, this merger and SLI would still be saving a lot of their jobs. The most fair and equitable SLI is one in which nobody gains anything over anyone else. If you are currently at the bottom of a list and out of a job, any change from that is a gain. That gain comes at someone else's expense. If I were a Mesaba furlough, I'd be thrilled so far, seeing as how I'm going to get to come back to work. Anything more than that should not be expected. |
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