What people want in the future might not be the same as what they want today. Most of us did not come to the regionals to be here for there whole career but for more and more of us it is our new reality.

I am tired of hearing how Colgan pilots should not be integrated on an equal basis to 9L and XJ. We all are here now, we all work for the same company and should all be treated fairly. Each list has people at different levels that benefit from one method or another but what is fair for one or two companies is fair for all.

I think you mean 9E? 9L=Colgan.

yep, what he said

You are living in fantasy land. It isn't about what we "favor" one way or another. Look over past arbitrations and use past awards to determine a more likely outcome. Making senoir xj pilots "happy" will not be on the arbitrators to do list. DOH will not be used, just look at recent awards, it doesn't factor much into any of the decisions.

The only scenario I could see doh being a factor would be to sort all captains based on relative senority and all fos by doh. This won't happen though because: 1) it screws the colgan guys that would have ended up better off than xj fos in the same doh and 2) like your assertions, it is based on a feeling of "fairness" that doesn't play into arbitrated decisions.

Ok, turn it around then.

You go straight relative seniority, Colgan guys will be able to hold -900 and -200 Captain positions with hire dates way junior to 9E and XJ guys due to a huge bump from relative integration.

How is that not a windfall?

Making 75% of 9E guys happy is not about making senior XJ guys happy.

You yourself said the arbitrations favor the "buying" company, DOH favors the "buying" company, unless you're in that top 25% of 9E and then I see how you might want it differently.

I think that 9E folks need to remember that they have 120 plus 50 seaters with contracts due in a few years, not exactly promising if we are going to play the "where would we be now game if 9e hadn't of saved us". XJ and 9L both have the future for regional flying in the form of lots of 900s, Q400s, and yes even the SAAB is still a key player. My point is that 9E did not save anybody, and are not entitled to special treatment. What has happened is they have combined the best of all three airlines in an attempt to remain competitive. Look at XJET, ASA, and SKW all tying the not, it is how the industry is now fellas. I said it before and I'll say it agian, the colgan guys had the most certain future of anybody, with growth on the saab and q400 fleets, while Mesaba looked second best with some 900s at least, but 9E has 120 RJs that we all know are on the way out...so factor that in and it looks like 9e comes out as the biggest loser for career progression.

Again, we are all equals, and deserve such. Enough of this my rj is better than your rj.

You can put your fingers in your ears and yell all day long, but as long as you keep ignoring the facts you will not venture a guess even remotely close to reality. Q400 growth was not possible without funding and ownership by pncl, which in turn led to this sli. The 200s are safe until 2017, that is fact. The saabs are old, uncomfortable equipment that delta has been very clear about. This isn't company vs company. This is about factoring expected career progression (senority) at your respective airline at the time of purchase into the equation. Let's be clear, I'm not saying "we" bought anyone for this arguments sake. I'm pointing out the FACT that the arbitrator will factor your expected career progression prior to purchase into the grand scheme.

From Pinnacle Corp's 4th quarter financials..
 

"Mesaba Aviation, Inc. ("Mesaba"), which the Company acquired on July 1, 2010, achieved operating income of $3.8 million and $6.8 million for the three and twelve months ended December 31, 2010, respectively. After taking into account interest expense on a $63.3 million note issued as part of the acquisition, Mesaba's financial results have been accretive to the Company's consolidated net income and EPS. In addition, the Company's operating cash flows were improved by approximately $23 million during 2010 due to the acquisition of Mesaba."

Sounds like XJ's doing a pretty decent job of paying 9E's "loan" to Delta off. Delta essentially gave XJ to Pinnacle. I'm happy XJ's profits are no longer going directly into RA and Delta's back pocket and will be kept in house to hopefully benefit all of us at PINNACLE CORP. This should also lay the argument, "9e saved XJ by buying them from Delta", to rest...at least until next quarter's financial reports are released:eek:

DOH will not favor 75% of 9E. It may favor the lower 40-50% at the cost of completely screwing the top half royally. That kind of garbage may fly at XJ, but not here.