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Originally Posted by AJDWINGS (Post 962062)

You guys are waaaay to worried about us wanting to fly your fancy jets. Most of the people could care less about flying a P.O.S. CRJ200 or it's longer tube big brother P.O.S. CRJ900 out some ghetto base like DTW MSP or JFK.

Put a fence up! I personally don't care about your jets. I'd be happy to go my entire career without having to get into a crappy regional jet. Don't forget; Canadair and Embraer are the major reasons why this industry and profession suck a$$ right now. Without RJs it would be turboprops flown by regionals and Boeings flown by majors. Like it was in the glory day$ of this biz.

I'll take my slow, loud, smelly, duct taped, iced up SAAB any day. I'll gladly fly it or a 1900 until my number comes up to fly a REAL jet made in Everett, WA.

When jet Captains make $20-$25 more an hour, there will be plenty of Colgan people considering the jet if they can hold it.

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Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 962034)

You can put your fingers in your ears and yell all day long, but as long as you keep ignoring the facts you will not venture a guess even remotely close to reality. Q400 growth was not possible without funding and ownership by pncl, which in turn led to this sli. The 200s are safe until 2017, that is fact. The saabs are old, uncomfortable equipment that delta has been very clear about. This isn't company vs company. This is about factoring expected career progression (senority) at your respective airline at the time of purchase into the equation. Let's be clear, I'm not saying "we" bought anyone for this arguments sake. I'm pointing out the FACT that the arbitrator will factor your expected career progression prior to purchase into the grand scheme.

Man, you are a real piece of work. Who cares how Pinnacle Corp. acquired Colgan, or even Mesaba. They wanted to grow, and it's no different than what Skywest, or Republic is doing. In the end, this merger is good for everybody. They are larger and can be more competitive, and are not solely dependant on Delta anymore. I hope they do factor in expected career progression. Most of us at Mesaba lost the ability to flow up to Delta when we were purchased by Pinnacle. Maybe I should say, given away to Pinnacle. Not to mention being bought by a mediocre company. If I had wanted to work for Pinnacle I would have applied to Pinnacle.

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I am pretty sure no one knows how the arbitrator will rule. So anyone saying anything is or isnt going to happen is speculating. It could be straight reletive seniority, could be straight DOH, could be a mix of both, or it could even be something we have never heard of haha. Same goes for fences. Unless you personally know Mr. Bloch you dont know jack.

Second, the comment about Delta not wanting turboprops anymore is most likely going to prove to be false. There are some pretty credible rumors flying around that Delta is going to want to keep the Saabs around longer and maybe even add some Q400 flying.

As for all the comments about Pinnacle buying Colgan thats just retarded and hopefully the arbitrator does not take who bought who into account as that shouldnt play any role in this SLI.

Which is a better place to live, dtw or JFK?

For all of you guys who think I'm just being a greedy, heartless, pinnacle guy; look at the facts. I'll venture a guess that many of you have never read an arbitrators awarded ISL. If you had, then you would understand that what I have said here isn't about me wanting to "screw" the mesaba and colgan pilots. I'm just basing my opinion on past precident. For those of you who have neglected to do any research before throwing stones I'll give you a start.

This is the link for the Eichen awarded ISL for RAH, Lynx, Midwest and Frontier.
http://f9fapa.org/uploads/SLIFinalAward.pdf

I'll even help you a little more, the good bits start at the bottom of page 32 and the award is on page 36.

Before another person tells me that reasonable career expectations and funding from a profitable airline have nothing to do with SLI, go read those pages.

I'm not saying how much effect those factors will have, I'm just saying they will play a part in the decision.

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Originally Posted by AJDWINGS (Post 962062)

I'll gladly fly it or a 1900 until my number comes up to fly a REAL jet made in Everett, WA.

A more accurate statement might be "made in China, assembled in the USA."

I kind of that was understood :)

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Originally Posted by jmartin (Post 962447)

Which is a better place to live, dtw or JFK?

Guess it depends on which kind of crimes you prefer to be the victim of.

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Originally Posted by ebl14 (Post 962536)

RAH rescued Frontier from bankruptcy. If RAH hadn't stepped in the frontier pilots would be out of a job.

This is not even remotely the case with what is going on in our merger. You need to read the Delta/NWA award to find something that bears resemblance to what we have here. Delta acquired NWA through a very similar deal that we have here.

Colgan is the wild card in all this, there may be sufficient evidence to say that Colgan should have been integrated back in 2007 and everyone hired before is relative and after that is subject to DOH. However, that is for the arbitrator to decide.